Minnesotans drive slow? (Minnetonka, Dakota: to move, vacation, title)
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Ignoring how ridiculous--and technically impossible--that sounds, what if everybody just made up their own speed limit?
In the context of the police officer's laser gun and his ticket pad, HOW the limit was set is not important, only what the limit is. You won't find me taking a speeding ticket to the supreme court because I think the speed limit is "incorrect." I don't have the time, energy, or money for that, and if I did, there are far greater injustices in the world that would have my attention first.
The "correct" speed limit for me to follow is the one that's posted on the sign, because it doesn't cost me a penny, nor a moment of my time, save for planning ahead and leaving a few minutes earlier.
Most driving is done in routine, not just a once in a life-time economic decision. So, in theory you're right, but that's not how it works.
I figure by going 80 instead of 70, I can save at least 30 minutes a week. That's 120 minutes a month. Thats 1440 mins a year. That's 24 hours a year.
I want my day back. Are you going to give me a day back? Can you please give me my month back over a lifetime of driving? Are you god? Can you give back time?? Doc, fire up the Delorean. Just because you are content doesn't mean you should impede on other's lives.
That's my other point. Speed limits are erroneous limitations designed by politicians to make money. Think about it. The average operating speed of a vehicle on a freeway should be about 85. The way cars and freeways are designed, there is absolutely no reason why you SHOULDNT be able to operate safely at 85.
But they make the limit 70 and now more and more stretches are 60. If speed limits were 85, the little baby politicians wouldn't make their money because the # of people driving between 70-85 greatly outnumbers those driving 85+
My uncle got a ticket today in the middle of nowhere. A flat, straight county road. Going 72 in a 55. His vehicle and driving ability could EASILY handle the road. But some douche says that it's too fast and now he's got to pay $186 for some puffed out undereducated tool who sits in a car with a radar gun all day? It's BS to me.
knke0204, you're being selfish and self-centered. That's a dangerous attitude while driving.
You can't think about yourself, you have to think about the people around you because they might do something stupid or have plain bad luck, or you might do something stupid (which DOES happen once in a while). A selfish attitude just bumps up the risks and makes you dangerous. A spilled drink, a broken fan belt and you have 0.3 seconds to make the right decision.
Start each day with Alan Shepard's prayer (Oh God, please don't let me f*ck up). Driving is not a competitive sport.
I figure by going 80 instead of 70, I can save at least 30 minutes a week. That's 120 minutes a month. Thats 1440 mins a year. That's 24 hours a year.
Spoken like a guy who's never been in a serious car accident.
Didn't Knke write a few weeks back that he only drives about 40-50 miles a week? I'm wondering if he just makes up figures to suit whatever place he is in a debate.
I do think as a newbie road biker they need to do something in south dakota about using phones while driving.. driving should be for driving, not for texting and talking on the phone, doing makeup, making breakfast, or whatever.
The thing is, people who drive faster are usually more attentive drivers, not less. Cap my speed at 60-65 on the interstate and I'm usually half asleep.
Cap my speed at 60-65 on the interstate and I'm usually half asleep.
What could be wrong with speeding? Ask former S Dakota Goveror Bill Janklow, who used to brag about his habitual speeding:
Quote:
"On August 16, 2003, Janklow was involved in a fatal traffic collision when he struck and killed motorcyclist Randolph E. Scott, while driving his white Cadillac Seville. The accident occurred at a rural intersection near Trent, South Dakota. Scott, a 55-year-old Minnesotan, was thrown from his motorcycle and killed instantly. Janklow suffered a broken hand and bleeding on the brain. In the ensuing investigation of the accident, it was determined Janklow was driving at least 70 miles per hour in a 55 mph zone and that he ran a stop sign at the intersection where the crash occurred. His vehicle stopped after hitting a sign in a field 300 feet from where the accident occurred."
Even better, ask the family of Raldolph Scott what they think of Janklow...
Most driving is done in routine, not just a once in a life-time economic decision. So, in theory you're right, but that's not how it works.
I figure by going 80 instead of 70, I can save at least 30 minutes a week. That's 120 minutes a month. Thats 1440 mins a year. That's 24 hours a year.
I want my day back. Are you going to give me a day back? Can you please give me my month back over a lifetime of driving? Are you god? Can you give back time?? Doc, fire up the Delorean. Just because you are content doesn't mean you should impede on other's lives.
That's my other point. Speed limits are erroneous limitations designed by politicians to make money. Think about it. The average operating speed of a vehicle on a freeway should be about 85. The way cars and freeways are designed, there is absolutely no reason why you SHOULDNT be able to operate safely at 85.
But they make the limit 70 and now more and more stretches are 60. If speed limits were 85, the little baby politicians wouldn't make their money because the # of people driving between 70-85 greatly outnumbers those driving 85+
My uncle got a ticket today in the middle of nowhere. A flat, straight county road. Going 72 in a 55. His vehicle and driving ability could EASILY handle the road. But some douche says that it's too fast and now he's got to pay $186 for some puffed out undereducated tool who sits in a car with a radar gun all day? It's BS to me.
Speed limts are SUPPOSED to be set by traffic engineers based on 85th percentile measured vehicle speeds.
If speeding is dangerous, why are first offenders only given a $186 ticket? How many murderers or bank robbers get a $186 ticket for their first offense?
Why can I legally (safely) drive up to 80 on roads where the speed limit used to be 55? This shows speed limits were (and are) illegally underposted. Were freeways in Minnesota upgraded when the speed limit was raised to 70 from 55 ?
Ignoring how ridiculous--and technically impossible--that sounds, what if everybody just made up their own speed limit?
In the context of the police officer's laser gun and his ticket pad, HOW the limit was set is not important, only what the limit is. You won't find me taking a speeding ticket to the supreme court because I think the speed limit is "incorrect." I don't have the time, energy, or money for that, and if I did, there are far greater injustices in the world that would have my attention first.
The "correct" speed limit for me to follow is the one that's posted on the sign, because it doesn't cost me a penny, nor a moment of my time, save for planning ahead and leaving a few minutes earlier.
Wrong answer. In Michigan, if the posted speed limit is not based on 85th percentile measured vehicle speeds it is illegal. You can go to court and get the ticket thrown out. Although this shows cops will still write tickets when they know the posted speed limit is not correct.
I had to laugh when I read this group of posts today. I just got back from a few weeks in Arizona (Phoenix area) and I had commented to my wife while down there that if you didn't go 15 to 20 MPH over the posted limit, whether it was freeway or a two lane road, you'd have the guy(s) behind you showing you their displeasure by tailgating and trying to pass you.
So we arrived back in Minnesota on Friday, and on our way home from the airport we're on the freeway where the limit is 70 MPH and I'm going about 70 or a few miles over....and all of a sudden I started chuckling when I realized that I was passing all these people on a nice straight piece of freeway who were going 60 or 65 MPH.....yup, I told my wife...we're definately back in Minnesota now !
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