Stadium Special Session Shot Down (Minneapolis, Viking: campus, golf, metro)

[knke0204]

Originally Posted by golfgal

Big mistake....

See this is the problem. the 'big mistake' is not building it all. Just pick a site and get it done. I've been saying that for forever. You're arguing some old, pseudo-historic neighborhood in Minneapolis is more important than a ginormous-tax generating, people drawing National attraction.

You're the same as those people who cried "Oh no! Target Field! What a bad site! There's a freeway there! And it's next to a garbage disposal!". Now it's the cat's meow and everyone and their mother swoons over the Stadium.

And golfgal, don't act like you go down and enjoy the neighborhoods around Basillica all the time.

[1stpontiac]

For the proposals like these, how "finalized" are the building sketches anyways? They can't be more than a rough sketch-up that can and would be cosmetically altered by the time they were built, right?

[Ghengis]

Originally Posted by 1stpontiac

For the proposals like these, how "finalized" are the building sketches anyways? They can't be more than a rough sketch-up that can and would be cosmetically altered by the time they were built, right?

generally the early renderings are conceptual in nature and while they may contain some basic elements that have been conveyed by the interested parties, any resemblance to a final product is more by accident then intent.

as you may recall, the early Target Field drawings included a retractable roof...

[1stpontiac]

Originally Posted by Ghengis

generally the early renderings are conceptual in nature and while they may contain some basic elements that have been conveyed by the interested parties, any resemblance to a final product is more by accident then intent.

as you may recall, the early Target Field drawings included a retractable roof...

Heh, I didn't know that, as I was out-of-state at the time. Hard to imagine that, now.

[Clifford63]

Originally Posted by knke0204

See this is the problem. the 'big mistake' is not building it all. Just pick a site and get it done. I've been saying that for forever. You're arguing some old, pseudo-historic neighborhood in Minneapolis is more important than a ginormous-tax generating, people drawing National attraction.

You're the same as those people who cried "Oh no! Target Field! What a bad site! There's a freeway there! And it's next to a garbage disposal!". Now it's the cat's meow and everyone and their mother swoons over the Stadium.

The real problem is the math does not work.

60K tickets x 10 games a year = 600K tickets.
60K tickets x 30 years = 18000000 tickets.

1 billion / 180 million = $55 per ticket (excluding cost of finance)

I don't buy this talk about revenue model of the dome not working for today's NFL franchise. Load of crap considering all the TV contracts they just signed. If you can't sell the tickets for $200 each, then a new dome is a bad investment. Hence why they vikings have their hand out pandering. They understand a bad business decision. Why not stick it to the people instead.

[ozzie679]

Originally Posted by Clifford63

The real problem is the math does not work.

60K tickets x 10 games a year = 600K tickets.
60K tickets x 30 years = 18000000 tickets.

1 billion / 180 million = $55 per ticket (excluding cost of finance)

I don't buy this talk about revenue model of the dome not working for today's NFL franchise. Load of crap considering all the TV contracts they just signed. If you can't sell the tickets for $200 each, then a new dome is a bad investment. Hence why they vikings have their hand out pandering. They understand a bad business decision. Why not stick it to the people instead.

You forgot about parking fees, concessions, and suites.

[Ghengis]

Originally Posted by Clifford63

The real problem is the math does not work.

60K tickets x 10 games a year = 600K tickets.
60K tickets x 30 years = 18000000 tickets.

1 billion / 180 million = $55 per ticket (excluding cost of finance)

I don't buy this talk about revenue model of the dome not working for today's NFL franchise. Load of crap considering all the TV contracts they just signed. If you can't sell the tickets for $200 each, then a new dome is a bad investment. Hence why they vikings have their hand out pandering. They understand a bad business decision. Why not stick it to the people instead.

let's see the expense side of the Vikings balance sheet as long as you're offering up your financial services. for starters, the Vikings player payroll is around $84,000,000/year.

[golfgal]

Originally Posted by knke0204

See this is the problem. the 'big mistake' is not building it all. Just pick a site and get it done. I've been saying that for forever. You're arguing some old, pseudo-historic neighborhood in Minneapolis is more important than a ginormous-tax generating, people drawing National attraction.

You're the same as those people who cried "Oh no! Target Field! What a bad site! There's a freeway there! And it's next to a garbage disposal!". Now it's the cat's meow and everyone and their mother swoons over the Stadium.

And golfgal, don't act like you go down and enjoy the neighborhoods around Basillica all the time.

This is the worst possible site, that is the mistake. No, I was not part of the "Oh no Target Field" crowd. Go drive down around the Basilica neighborhood sometime. Try to get back onto southbound 94 from there, or northbound for that matter. Drive past the Basilica about 4 or 5 blocks and then try to get back on to 94. Then do this around 5:00 on a weekday when other events would be happening at the new stadium. It's already a traffic nightmare there without the added mess from a stadium. Then, where and how will they expand the lightrail over there? Are they going to put tracks across 94--no, that means some kind of a tunnel or bridge and even MORE costs. That site will be THE most expensive site in the long run. If they are going to keep it in Minneapolis, rebuild on the current site--that already has the infrastructure in place. Take SOME of the money they would have to spend on new roads across town and buy up some land for parking if need be. It makes a LOT more sense to build on the Shakopee site, least expensive and very minimal road construction to handle the site. Expand the rail line down through prairieland.

[golfgal]

Oh, and on WCCO this morning they were talking to one of the legislators (didn't catch his name as I tuned in partway through the conversation). He said that if they want something passed during this session the only option would be the current metrodome site and the hold up is not with the legislature but with the Minneapolis city council.

[golfgal]

And in the latest....

Shooter Now: Vikings' Zygi Wilf might OK Metrodome site, after all - TwinCities.com

Looks like Zygi is now saying that the Dome site is ok....for today anyway.