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Old 12-16-2011, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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In Minneapolis, just 7 of the first 15 days of December had above normal temps. However, starting tomorrow, 8 of the next 9 days are projected to be above normal before highs in the teens kick in at the end of the month/year.
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Old 12-16-2011, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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Whats Christmas without snow?
Seriously though if we're gonna have a snowless Christmas lets at least have it sunny and 50 degrees
The radio station here is predicting 53F for a high on Sunday. I have a Christmas party that day, maybe I'll have to wear shorts
And to think, the shortest day of the year is on Thursday already and the days start getting longer from there.
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Old 12-17-2011, 12:32 AM
 
Location: Cleveland bound with MPLS in the rear-view
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Yes, it's called normal, cyclical weather patterns. We had a very dry fall, and very little moisture in December. With no snow cover on the ground, temperatures are naturally going to be warmer but a few degrees. The snow on the ground keeps temps down in the winter. There have been plenty of winters like this in the past 40+ years and before. I have pictures of my oldest playing outside, in January, in shorts and a t-shirt in the winter of 1996. We were in South Dakota that year, the year the Twin Cities got that major ice storm and their temps were MUCH colder. We didn't have any snow at the time and our temperatures were downright balmy.
Okay......I was just being tongue and cheek, but it looks like you're taking it really personal. Clearly, you are conservative. The world IS warming up though, and scientists (you know, smart people) mostly claim the same. The Polar Ice Shelves are melting extremely fast, and that really doesn't happen due to "heat waves" or "La Ninas". Denying it isn't going to help a thing. Whether people can make a difference or not, it's still not a bad idea to conserve energy and be less wasteful.
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Old 12-17-2011, 08:29 AM
 
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Okay......I was just being tongue and cheek, but it looks like you're taking it really personal. Clearly, you are conservative. The world IS warming up though, and scientists (you know, smart people) mostly claim the same. The Polar Ice Shelves are melting extremely fast, and that really doesn't happen due to "heat waves" or "La Ninas". Denying it isn't going to help a thing. Whether people can make a difference or not, it's still not a bad idea to conserve energy and be less wasteful.
Research this further, most scientists agree that this is normal climate cycles, not anything else. MN has all the lakes it has because it was once covered in ice...
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Old 12-17-2011, 12:16 PM
 
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Okay......I was just being tongue and cheek, but it looks like you're taking it really personal. Clearly, you are conservative. The world IS warming up though, and scientists (you know, smart people) mostly claim the same. The Polar Ice Shelves are melting extremely fast, and that really doesn't happen due to "heat waves" or "La Ninas". Denying it isn't going to help a thing. Whether people can make a difference or not, it's still not a bad idea to conserve energy and be less wasteful.
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Research this further, most scientists agree that this is normal climate cycles, not anything else. MN has all the lakes it has because it was once covered in ice...
Exactly, GG...there is a considerable enough number of those "smart people" who dispute the claim altogether of "global warming", argue it is a naturally occurring event, or argue the evidence is inconclusive.

If we want to be something like the "smart people", then we need to look at the supposed Little Ice Age forecasted in the 1970's, look at the Dust Bowl droughts in the 1930's, and look at the discussion regarding repeating cycles of ice ages and warming over thousands of years as opposed to a myopic view of 1, 5 or even 10 years.

Though West's comment wasn't directed specifically at me, I guess I do take it a bit seriously because we have politicians and activists trying to take what would be tongue-in-cheek comments and turn it into government policy to raise taxes, destroy job producing industries, and change our way of life more because of a power kick than anything else.

I agree turning off a not needed light is a good thing but do it because it saves you money on your electric bill, not because Al Gore told us to do it to "save Mother Earth" - while he runs around in private jets and lights up his house audaciously.

In the end, even if we agree this is man-made global warming, free markets and innovative entrepreneurs will work on the problem much better than bureaucracy and taxes to support political agendas.
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Old 12-17-2011, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Northfield, MN
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Exactly, GG...there is a considerable enough number of those "smart people" who dispute the claim altogether of "global warming", argue it is a naturally occurring event, or argue the evidence is inconclusive.

If we want to be something like the "smart people", then we need to look at the supposed Little Ice Age forecasted in the 1970's, look at the Dust Bowl droughts in the 1930's, and look at the discussion regarding repeating cycles of ice ages and warming over thousands of years as opposed to a myopic view of 1, 5 or even 10 years.

Though West's comment wasn't directed specifically at me, I guess I do take it a bit seriously because we have politicians and activists trying to take what would be tongue-in-cheek comments and turn it into government policy to raise taxes, destroy job producing industries, and change our way of life more because of a power kick than anything else.

I agree turning off a not needed light is a good thing but do it because it saves you money on your electric bill, not because Al Gore told us to do it to "save Mother Earth" - while he runs around in private jets and lights up his house audaciously.

In the end, even if we agree this is man-made global warming, free markets and innovative entrepreneurs will work on the problem much better than bureaucracy and taxes to support political agendas.
Ok, so the billions of tons of greenhouse gasses that we are pouring into the atmosphere yearly, and the trees that breath in the CO2 that we continue to chop down are having no effect at all on the climate .
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Old 12-18-2011, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Cleveland bound with MPLS in the rear-view
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Exactly, GG...there is a considerable enough number of those "smart people" who dispute the claim altogether of "global warming", argue it is a naturally occurring event, or argue the evidence is inconclusive.

If we want to be something like the "smart people", then we need to look at the supposed Little Ice Age forecasted in the 1970's, look at the Dust Bowl droughts in the 1930's, and look at the discussion regarding repeating cycles of ice ages and warming over thousands of years as opposed to a myopic view of 1, 5 or even 10 years.

Though West's comment wasn't directed specifically at me, I guess I do take it a bit seriously because we have politicians and activists trying to take what would be tongue-in-cheek comments and turn it into government policy to raise taxes, destroy job producing industries, and change our way of life more because of a power kick than anything else.

I agree turning off a not needed light is a good thing but do it because it saves you money on your electric bill, not because Al Gore told us to do it to "save Mother Earth" - while he runs around in private jets and lights up his house audaciously.

In the end, even if we agree this is man-made global warming, free markets and innovative entrepreneurs will work on the problem much better than bureaucracy and taxes to support political agendas.
It's always funny to me how many people BLINDLY think nothing is happening to the world. I know I would never let a politician decide how I should take care of the environment.
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:04 AM
 
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Ok, so the billions of tons of greenhouse gasses that we are pouring into the atmosphere yearly, and the trees that breath in the CO2 that we continue to chop down are having no effect at all on the climate .
Considering man made CO2 makes up 5% of the CO2 in the atmosphere it is probably safe to say it has a minimal impact.

Who's Afraid of CO2? | Publications | National Center for Policy Analysis | NCPA
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Home in NOMI
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Of course the impact isn't minimal - it's measurable, and 5% could be significant if we're in a "tipping the applecart" scenario. We don't know if that's the case, though.
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Old 12-19-2011, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Northfield, MN
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Considering man made CO2 makes up 5% of the CO2 in the atmosphere it is probably safe to say it has a minimal impact.

Who's Afraid of CO2? | Publications | National Center for Policy Analysis | NCPA
It's not just that we're making the CO2, it's also that we're destroying many of the plants that take in the CO2. Also, even just a slight increase can make a big difference because it triggers a snowball effect. For example, slightly higher temperatures will cause the permafrost to melt, releasing Methane, a much more potent greenhouse gas.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/17/sc...pagewanted=all
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