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Old 08-22-2014, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Carver County, MN
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I guess I would rather live in a dishonest city than have to live in a place like Cleveland.
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Old 08-22-2014, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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I guess I would rather live in a dishonest city than have to live in a place like Cleveland.
And we'd rather dishonest people stay right where they are too, so we're in agreement.
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Old 08-22-2014, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Salinas, CA
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Did anyone read that last year Minnesota ranked 20th with 94%? It is one sentence in the middle of the article and can easily be missed if you are reading the article quickly rather than slowly. Just think we should be looking at all the facts presented for balance and perspective.

Still, a drop from 94% to 81% is surprising if we are talking about a lot of people visiting these stands. It makes you wonder if they changed the location of the stand to a different city neighborhood. It would also be nice to know how many people actually visited these stands. Out of 10 people, all it takes is a single dishonest person to drop the percentage number down 10%. If they keep doing this a few more years, then we'll have even more information from which to gather conclusions.

To be honest (pun intended), every city did well to be at 80% or better IMO. That is the most surprising fact from this test.
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Old 08-22-2014, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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I think the Cleveland Chamber of Commerce was in town for their annual convention that week, could have been funding their advertising budget.
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Old 08-22-2014, 02:55 PM
 
Location: South Minneapolis
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Yep, as are most of these lists that Minneapolitans like to hold up as proof of how great they are. Pretty hypocritical that when the list shows Minnesota in a negative light, people are dismissive of it, but when it's positive they flaunt it at every opportunity.
Imagine people touting a survey like that! It never happens anywhere else.

You know, with a name like Cleverfield I was reallyexpecting your posts to be a bit more original and witty. Another disappointment.
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Old 08-22-2014, 03:27 PM
 
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Did anyone read that last year Minnesota ranked 20th with 94%? It is one sentence in the middle of the article and can easily be missed if you are reading the article quickly rather than slowly. Just think we should be looking at all the facts presented for balance and perspective.

Still, a drop from 94% to 81% is surprising if we are talking about a lot of people visiting these stands. It makes you wonder if they changed the location of the stand to a different city neighborhood. It would also be nice to know how many people actually visited these stands. Out of 10 people, all it takes is a single dishonest person to drop the percentage number down 10%. If they keep doing this a few more years, then we'll have even more information from which to gather conclusions.
Good point.

Like I said above, the methodology isn't clear, but my perception was that they had 28 sites with 100 'sales' per site.

Not to pick on teenagers, but you could have 1-2 pods of teenagers skew your numbers easily. Most of the (actual scientific) studies on behavior identify differences in how people behave alone or in packs. If you're in a pack and one person doesn't pay, you're less likely to pay as well. Both because someone else not paying makes it more acceptable for you not to either (if they cheat why shouldn't I?) but because of the peer pressure that can come from from trying to establish a place in the in-group.

Paying for a $1 tea isn't exactly Kitty Genovese territory, but the psychology is pretty well established that individuals and groups (even groups composed of the same individuals) behave differently.
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Old 08-29-2014, 02:16 PM
 
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Dumb. There is no reference to their data sample size, how they determined where to put the stands, how it was monitored... Where the sign was posted...

Maybe people in Minnesota thought it was free? Because people are nice here and actually do stuff like that.

Dumb, if there is no evidence to this statistic I'm not buying it.
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Old 08-29-2014, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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Old 08-29-2014, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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^ HEY!....WTH! somebody stole my previous post!
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Old 08-29-2014, 03:58 PM
 
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Yep, as are most of these lists that Minneapolitans like to hold up as proof of how great they are. Pretty hypocritical that when the list shows Minnesota in a negative light, people are dismissive of it, but when it's positive they flaunt it at every opportunity.
You said a mouthful there or I mean a line full. It certainly is a fact.
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