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Old 12-21-2014, 01:42 PM
 
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because if a cop say's so....it must be so



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4Ouiixa9rI
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Old 12-21-2014, 02:20 PM
 
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"It is against the law for a cop to ask anyone about their identity in Minnesota unless they can have reason to suspect the person has broken the law"

FALSE

I'm pretty sure you are quoting a statement from the Minnesota ACLU, as opposed to an actual law. Minnesota does not have any specific law or statute identifying when people do and don't need to identify themselves. The existing laws are ambiguous. While not specific to Minnesota, the United States Supreme Court has ruled that if police have ANY grounds for suspicion of illegal activity they can ask a person to identify themselves without infringing on their constitutional rights. If someone calls the police on you, that would more than satisfy that requirement.

"The charges have been dropped for their was illegal and no act of wrongdoing by the the victim/charged."

I think you are trying to say that because the charges were dropped (this is true) that the police determined that there was no wrongdoing. If that's what you're saying, its an assumption not a fact. Charges can be dropped for a variety of reasons. In this case, it may very well be because of the publicity of the incident.

"The case is now under investigation as is the police department."

This is also true in the sense that they are reviewing the facts of the case because of the amount of publicity.

I haven't seen anything that indicates the security guard has been identified. Surely you can provide a link to a had news source like the TC Daily Planet with this info.

"I suspect with your ability to live in denial and your negatory projections you are the one in need of sympathy. I, like millions of others who watched video in horror, see life for what is...as opposed to youth such as yourself who believe posturing is necessary for success. Wisdom holds that the true key to a happy life is compassion."

Its always entertaining to see liberal guilt dissolve into sophomoric pseudo-intellectual/philosophical condescension.
LEO has no right to ID unless it qualifies as a Terry stop. Sitting in a public place would not generally be sufficient nor would testimony of a security guard he looks suspicious. Has to be reasonable.

Hiibel requires only at the point of a Terry stop must a person state their name. At that they are not required to provide ID.

Much legal advice says never give a LEO information. Information given to a questioning LEO can only do bad things.

So basically this guy is a Patriot protecting American Citizen rights. And you think him wrong?
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Old 12-22-2014, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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because if a cop say's so....it must be so



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4Ouiixa9rI
did you even watch your video?

the cops let him stay there

fail
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Old 12-22-2014, 08:51 AM
 
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did you even watch your video?

the cops let him stay there

fail
I was being sarcastic.

and you proved my point.



The video was meant as a counter argument for people who believe police had a right to harass or move citizens from a public place.

the same as Mr. Lollie.

Here is another helpful link

Do you need to show MN police your ID ?

"Unless suspected of a crime, law enforcement can't lawfully require you to identify yourself or produce identification. However refusal could lead to your arresteven if it's unjustified."

"If you don't think you are doing anything wrong, don't fight it on the streets, do it in the court room,"

Minnesota cops can not ask for ID unless they suspect a crime.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl2i...0&spfreload=10
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Old 12-22-2014, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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I was being sarcastic.

and you proved my point.



The video was meant as a counter argument for people who believe police had a right to harass or move citizens from a public place.

the same as Mr. Lollie.

Here is another helpful link

Do you need to show MN police your ID ?

"Unless suspected of a crime, law enforcement can't lawfully require you to identify yourself or produce identification. However refusal could lead to your arresteven if it's unjustified."

"If you don't think you are doing anything wrong, don't fight it on the streets, do it in the court room,"

Minnesota cops can not ask for ID unless they suspect a crime.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl2i...0&spfreload=10
my mistake
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Old 12-27-2014, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Duluth, MN
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Of course, if the individual who claimed that he rented the space had actually done so, then the subject would have been trespassing. If you "rent" anything - land, a hotel room, whatever, it's treated as your property until the rental agreement is terminated.

If that was the case, I would have simply moved to the sidewalk.
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