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Old 10-11-2014, 03:43 AM
 
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Why aren't all the other arab and/or middle eastern countries putting boots on the ground instead of just petty air strikes? It is there region of the world, not ours. Why don't they have the guts to meet ISIS head on with ground forces???

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Old 10-11-2014, 04:13 AM
 
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Why aren't all the other arab and/or middle eastern countries putting boots on the ground instead of just petty air strikes? It is there region of the world, not ours. Why don't they have the guts to meet ISIS head on with ground forces???
I'm not positive but, I'm pretty sure that would be against many municipal ordinances and zoning regulations here in Minnesota
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Old 10-11-2014, 02:40 PM
 
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Im talking about over there in the middle east, not in MN.....you know, the whole thing going on with Syria and Iraq....with ISIS...not here...in the USA.....
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Old 10-11-2014, 03:27 PM
 
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If people would stop supporting LSS maybe the problem will go away
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Old 10-11-2014, 05:44 PM
 
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Other Arab countries don't have any armies worth sending in.
Also, they all mostly hate each other. That is why Islam was invented in the first place, to unite a bunch of warring Arab tribes.

The US has been interfering in that region Ike set us up as the middle east police force back in the 1950s. That said if there wasn't oil there we could just ignore it and let everything go to hell like we did in Syria.
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Old 10-12-2014, 02:22 AM
 
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Turkey has the 8th largest army in the world, and Egypt has the 13th largest.....they got plenty of military might.....along with the other smaller countries who also have sizable armies in the Middle East, they could join forces and crush ISIS easily....imo....
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Old 10-12-2014, 08:36 AM
 
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Egypt doesn't care, they have no money, are on a different continent, and we pay for their incompetent military anyway, so we'd still be footing that bill regardless. I'm sure the Turkish military would love to be more involved... killing Kurds since they hate them more than they hate ISIS. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ns-border.html
That's the bigger crux of the issue in Iraq. It's Kurds that need defending. Arabs and Turks both would rather see them disappear.
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Old 10-12-2014, 08:58 AM
 
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Turkey has the 8th largest army in the world, and Egypt has the 13th largest.....they got plenty of military might.....along with the other smaller countries who also have sizable armies in the Middle East, they could join forces and crush ISIS easily....imo....
You're right about Turkey. Not only do they have the forces numerically, they also have NATO equipment and training. Plus, they're in the immediate area.

But Egypt? Oh, please...

The country is unstable and its military is largely concered with holding power and keeping the Muslim Brotherhood down. They have no heavy lift capablity (so how are they going to get there?), and the meager and outmoded training, tactics and strategy in which they are steeped is entirely predicated around defense, not force-projection. Those two mission-types are completely different.

The simple reality is that aside from Turkey, no country in the area has anything to offer military save for air power.

Whether or not that is 'fair' is irrelevant.

Think back to 1990/1991. Even then, when the U.S. led a massive coalition staging in northern Saudi Arabia, we didn't bother with local ground forces to any meaninful degree. Sure, Saudi and Qatari ground forces were heavily (but not exclusively) used in the politically-sensitive mission of retaking the Saudi town of Khafji after Iraqi forces crossed the border and seized it. And both Syrian and Egyptian troops were under Schwarzkopf's command. But this was almost entirely political coalition-building, not a matter of assembling a military force intended to do much of anything. Those troops, plus Saudi, went into southern Kuwait. But the far larger invasion of Iraq (the northwestern flanking movement) and the move into Kuwait City itself, as well as the engagement of retreating Iraqi troops through northern Kuwait and into southern Iraq, was entirely done on the ground by American, British and French forces.

Why? Because letting crappy troops try and do a task that really needs to be accomplished just because it's not 'fair' is a really bad way of going about seeing that end successfully achieved.

And so it is now.

Turkey should be involved on the ground (they aren'y largely due to being loathe to do anything that in any way helps the Kurds, a ground the Turks have long committed themselves to oppressing). But no one else in the area has anything whatsoever to offer as far as ground troops.
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Old 10-13-2014, 04:39 PM
 
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Turkey has the 8th largest army in the world, and Egypt has the 13th largest.....they got plenty of military might.....along with the other smaller countries who also have sizable armies in the Middle East, they could join forces and crush ISIS easily....imo....
This is a very naive, very western centric view of the situation and the world. Defeating ISIS is about defeating an *ideology* that transcends borders, militaries and even societies. This is not WWII and this is not Nazi Germany...Yes "they" could go in and stop any group in the short term only to see such group arise in an even more aggressive form somewhere else in the region, and this has happened time and time again in only the last 20 years or so.

The way to defeat ISIS is to stop fueling the fire of rage in the region by stopping the unending and irrational support for the State of Israel as well as puppet dictatorships. Unfortunately US foreign policy is dictated by strong special interest groups (AIPAC) and the support of very repressive regimes who allow us easy access to their resources and strategic position in the region (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc...). I don't see any changes coming until there is some sort of grassroots movement to stomp out special interest lobbying in Washington, which is unlikely in the near future.
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Old 10-13-2014, 04:45 PM
 
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You're right about Turkey. Not only do they have the forces numerically, they also have NATO equipment and training. Plus, they're in the immediate area.
You have a good understanding of the situation but keep in mind that Turkey is caught in a catch-22 here. The specific Kurdish group that is undersiege now by ISIS near the Turkish border is labeled as a terrorist organization by Turkey and represents a direct threat to Turkish statehood and soveriegnty. I believe they look at ISIS with equal disdain, however given that the western powers and other arab nations have decided to step in on ISIS, they see no real benefit in joining the fight.

In other words, strategically Turkey is making the correct move.
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