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Old 01-05-2015, 07:41 PM
 
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Old 01-06-2015, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Global Warming huh?


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Old 01-06-2015, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Type 0.7 Kardashev
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Yes, global warming.

Global warming. Minnesota occupies less than 1/20th of 1% of the surface of the globe.

The mean temperature of the Earth is rising. This does not mean that the daily temperature rises in every locale on every date.

I wonder, do people who hear that the United States population is increasing (and it is) claim that the fact that Maine's population is falling (and it is) disproves the fact that the national population is climbing? Do people who hear that the smoking rate is falling (and it is) claim that because they know more and more people who smoke (which is certainly possible for some individuals) that this disproves that the smoking rate is in fact falling? Do people who hear that the average American height continues to increase (and it does) claim that because the guy who lives next door to them is only 5'4" (there are, and will continue to be, short people) it follows that the average height of people cannot possibly be increasing?

It doesn't take a degree in statistics to comprehend this. In fact, it doesn't take any more than very basic common sense to understand that individual data points - or groups of data points that remain in the minority of the total data - that are above or below the average do not refute the trend of the average.

On a side note, at the end of 2012 were you running around claiming "Yep, global warming after all!"?
NOAA: 2012 hottest year on record in USA so far | Updraft | Minnesota Public Radio News

No... I didn't think so.

Side note:
Even the mean temperature of the entire country over an entire year - though they dwarf the data-set of the current season's temperatures in but one region of the country - neither proves nor disproves climate change. I'm just pointing out that as the current temperatures swing above and below the rising mean, I'm pretty sure you only crow about them when they're ebbing.
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Old 01-06-2015, 05:16 PM
 
Location: E ND & NW MN
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That was from last winter..... through March 1, 2014.... Not anywhere close to that of course this winter as it has been milder
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Old 01-06-2015, 08:25 PM
 
Location: South Minneapolis
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Yes, global warming.

Global warming. Minnesota occupies less than 1/20th of 1% of the surface of the globe.

The mean temperature of the Earth is rising. This does not mean that the daily temperature rises in every locale on every date.

I wonder, do people who hear that the United States population is increasing (and it is) claim that the fact that Maine's population is falling (and it is) disproves the fact that the national population is climbing? Do people who hear that the smoking rate is falling (and it is) claim that because they know more and more people who smoke (which is certainly possible for some individuals) that this disproves that the smoking rate is in fact falling? Do people who hear that the average American height continues to increase (and it does) claim that because the guy who lives next door to them is only 5'4" (there are, and will continue to be, short people) it follows that the average height of people cannot possibly be increasing?

It doesn't take a degree in statistics to comprehend this. In fact, it doesn't take any more than very basic common sense to understand that individual data points - or groups of data points that remain in the minority of the total data - that are above or below the average do not refute the trend of the average.

On a side note, at the end of 2012 were you running around claiming "Yep, global warming after all!"?
NOAA: 2012 hottest year on record in USA so far | Updraft | Minnesota Public Radio News

No... I didn't think so.

Side note:
Even the mean temperature of the entire country over an entire year - though they dwarf the data-set of the current season's temperatures in but one region of the country - neither proves nor disproves climate change. I'm just pointing out that as the current temperatures swing above and below the rising mean, I'm pretty sure you only crow about them when they're ebbing.
I'd agree that changes in weather can't be interpreted as changes in climate conditions. I also might not make too much of the 17 year "pause" in warming that we are experiencing, nor of the numerous errors that have been found in the computer models that have been used to predict climate change. I also might ignore that changes in the environmental conditions at many of the temperature measuring stations.

But I think a larger point is that the human race has generally done better in warm periods than cold, and while the monied classes are making huge profits from green initiatives, ordinary people would be better off if there is global warming.
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Old 01-07-2015, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Not me, I don't like summer. Too many bugs and too humid. Bring on the ice age!
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Old 01-07-2015, 04:36 PM
 
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Not me, I don't like summer. Too many bugs and too humid. Bring on the ice age!
Agreed. Summer is the only reason I'd consider moving. However I do wish we'd get some more snow!
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