Somalian influx in Grand Rapids? (Minneapolis, Rochester: real estate, house, neighborhoods)

[David A Stone]

Originally Posted by Beenaroundabit

That's your example - really? Some people who were Muslim did something dumb and a tragic event ensued? Whew...it's a good thing no one of non-Muslim heritage has ever done anything like that...

I think we've learned that the activities of one person or a small group are almost never indicative of the attitudes of an entire populace. Or at least I thought we had...

Take your time - we'll wait while you catch up to the rest of us .

........"one person or a small group "..
The difference is when a person of my race, religion, or nationality does something bad, I don't defend,support, or protect that person.


A member of homeland security committee said it is so hard to find out about US Muslim terrorist groups because the Muslim community want to deny it is happening and turn their eyes.


As I stated , when that young Muslim stabber in St Cloud was shot, it was discovered that he was an excellent high school student, excellent college student....UNTIL..he started to spend more and more time delving into his Muslim religion. It was then he went from an "A " student in college to flunking out and working as a part time security guard.


Yet, his parents, through their lawyer, denied their son had changed at all and called that a rumor.


The rest of the Somali community didn't give a rat's arse about the trauma the 10 white stabbing victims endured , but instead used the media to turn this stabbing into a "pity party" for the Somalian community in St Cloud.

[gearedtowardssalad]

Originally Posted by PullMyFinger

I'm a rockstar here. You have a long way to go.

i'm guessing you're not very good at anything in real life, so i'll let you have this one. also, i've been here longer.

[Campfires]

Originally Posted by Beenaroundabit

That's your example - really? Some people who were Muslim did something dumb and a tragic event ensued? Whew...it's a good thing no one of non-Muslim heritage has ever done anything like that...

I think we've learned that the activities of one person or a small group are almost never indicative of the attitudes of an entire populace. Or at least I thought we had...

Take your time - we'll wait while you catch up to the rest of us .

I'm going to have to assume you haven't read the security brief on the incident in KMSP. Are you unaware of the position imams have in the Muslim religion? It's unfortunate for them that a citizen who was fluent in their language just happened to be in the boarding area and reported the conversation to an employee.

For those unaware, these religious leaders spoke openly of death to America in the gate area. They then boarded the aircraft but proceeded to sit separately. One towards the front, one in the middle, and one in the rear. They requested seatbelt extensions even though none of them were customers of size. After they were removed, the seatbelt extensions were found still wrapped up and unused.

That's what we refer to as a "test" of our security procedures. Of course they sued for discrimination. It's unfortunate for them that a witness in the gate heard their conversation.

[Thedosius]

If you're worried about terrorism, avoid conservative, anti-government white males:

http://www.kansascity.com/news/speci...e29820328.html



"Another analysis, by the New America Foundation, reports that since 9/11, terrorists motivated by extreme anti-government views or virulent neo-Nazi/anti-Semitic beliefs have killed more people in the United States than jihadist terrorists motivated by al-Qaida’s ideology."

We need to start screening adult white males at airports due to the concerns law enforcement agencies have about them. It may mean an inconvenience to them, but for the safety of the broader community it's absolutely necessary. We may also need to restrict their gun ownership: the death rate of their misanthropic and terroristic behavior is entirely too high.

[Ghengis]

Originally Posted by Thedosius

If you're worried about terrorism, avoid conservative, anti-government white males:

| The Kansas City Star



"Another analysis, by the New America Foundation, reports that since 9/11, terrorists motivated by extreme anti-government views or virulent neo-Nazi/anti-Semitic beliefs have killed more people in the United States than jihadist terrorists motivated by al-Qaida’s ideology."

We need to start screening adult white males at airports due to the concerns law enforcement agencies have about them. It may mean an inconvenience to them, but for the safety of the broader community it's absolutely necessary. We may also need to restrict their gun ownership: the death rate of their misanthropic and terroristic behavior is entirely too high.

won't happen cuz they'll beotch and moan about their rights being trampled and go crying to the ACLU for protection

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Thedosius

If you're worried about terrorism, avoid conservative, anti-government white males:

| The Kansas City Star



"Another analysis, by the New America Foundation, reports that since 9/11, terrorists motivated by extreme anti-government views or virulent neo-Nazi/anti-Semitic beliefs have killed more people in the United States than jihadist terrorists motivated by al-Qaida’s ideology."

We need to start screening adult white males at airports due to the concerns law enforcement agencies have about them. It may mean an inconvenience to them, but for the safety of the broader community it's absolutely necessary. We may also need to restrict their gun ownership: the death rate of their misanthropic and terroristic behavior is entirely too high.

Despite being corrected on this point in the past, you continue to cite old data which runs from 9/12/01 through 6/22/15. Using current data would add the 49 people killed by an Islamic terrorist on 6/12/16 at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando on 6/12/16. (Not to mention the 53 injured.) Of course you also conveniently ignore the 2,996 people killed by Islamic terrorists on 9/11/01. It's odd that you continue to ignore these deaths, but then they disprove your point so perhaps it's not so odd after all.

[Thedosius]

Originally Posted by Ghengis

won't happen cuz they'll beotch and moan about their rights being trampled and go crying to the ACLU for protection

Be that as it may, we need to follow the empirical evidence and take it where it leads us if we are really interested in fighting terrorism. Targeting muslims or somalians doesn't make sense in that regard as the biggest perpetrators of terrorism are conservative white males. Clearly we'll need to start a registry of some sort, and maybe start adding them to Do Not Fly lists. Active participation in right wing organizations should also be taken into consideration when doing background checks and the like when a member of that dangerous community tries to buy a firearm. The registry and Do Not Fly lists already have conservative support so politically speaking the implementation of these policies should be a cakewalk.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Thedosius

Be that as it may, we need to follow the empirical evidence and take it where it leads us if we are really interested in fighting terrorism. Targeting muslims or somalians doesn't make sense in that regard as the biggest perpetrators of terrorism are conservative white males. Clearly we'll need to start a registry of some sort, and maybe start adding them to Do Not Fly lists. Active participation in right wing organizations should also be taken into consideration when doing background checks and the like when a member of that dangerous community tries to buy a firearm. The registry and Do Not Fly lists already have conservative support so politically speaking the implementation of these policies should be a cakewalk.

I am glad that you acknowledge that your data was outdated, your post was misleading, and your point was false. As you say, we must "follow the empirical evidence and take it where it leads us." Step one is getting the numbers right.

[Gerania]

Originally Posted by Beenaroundabit

I doubt it. Several of my former Marine colleagues who were in Somalia don't hate all Somalis just because they were deployed to/fought in that country.

You doubt that is a valid reason? I assure you it is.

[chessgeek]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

I understand that my posts on this board aren't going to change anybody's opinion on this matter (although I'm confident that progress could be made with a few beers at a local establishment). It's just disappointing to see so many people who feel this way. Yeah Somalis are different in the way they look, dress, talk. They practice a different religion which may require some accommodations in school or the workplace (other religions require accommodations too by the way). And yes some Somalis commit crimes just like every other group of people in this country. Most are good people though and I feel they deserve for us to treat them like everyone else without pre-conceived judgment, that's all. I don't think it's a lot to ask.

Good points. Just like law abiding white people do not want to be judged or despised for the actions of other violent white people like Ted Bundy, Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Timothy McVeigh, and most recently Dylann Roof, who killed nine people in a South Carolina church (not a complete list btw!), law abiding Somali people do not deserve to be judged by the actions of a tiny percentage of violent Somali people.

The solution is to respect and support law abiding people regardless of race/ethnicity and to appropriately punish violent people regardless of race/ethnicity.