Why Are There Too Many Somali Community Organizations in Twin Cities and Other Cities in Minnesota? (Duluth: new home, camps)

[minot]

Ahmed---This might be changing the thread a bit, but I feel resentment toward all the Somali organizations that seem aggressive and demanding in community affairs. Communities should be given the right to decide if immigrants will be invited in and welcomed. Otherwise, resentment occurs. I want to welcome new people and not have them "forced" on us. It is as though the first thing taught to new immigrants is to demand everything & to look for any sign of racism. American social workers/churches that encourage this are doing everyone a big disservice. If the atmosphere is one of demanding this and that, then it is no wonder there are too many organizations vying for money, attention, etc. I'm just working on getting the resentment out of my heart. Good luck to you.

[StarChild06]

Originally Posted by minot

Communities should be given the right to decide if immigrants will be invited in and welcomed. Otherwise, resentment occurs. I want to welcome new people and not have them "forced" on us. .

If "immigrants" waited to be welcomed and invited into communities of people who do not look like them, they'd drop dead while waiting...let's keep it real.

[BlackOut]

Originally Posted by minot

Ahmed---This might be changing the thread a bit, but I feel resentment toward all the Somali organizations that seem aggressive and demanding in community affairs. Communities should be given the right to decide if immigrants will be invited in and welcomed. Otherwise, resentment occurs. I want to welcome new people and not have them "forced" on us. It is as though the first thing taught to new immigrants is to demand everything & to look for any sign of racism. American social workers/churches that encourage this are doing everyone a big disservice. If the atmosphere is one of demanding this and that, then it is no wonder there are too many organizations vying for money, attention, etc. I'm just working on getting the resentment out of my heart. Good luck to you.

[kuan]

Originally Posted by minot

Ahmed---This might be changing the thread a bit, but I feel resentment toward all the Somali organizations that seem aggressive and demanding in community affairs. Communities should be given the right to decide if immigrants will be invited in and welcomed. Otherwise, resentment occurs. I want to welcome new people and not have them "forced" on us. It is as though the first thing taught to new immigrants is to demand everything & to look for any sign of racism. American social workers/churches that encourage this are doing everyone a big disservice. If the atmosphere is one of demanding this and that, then it is no wonder there are too many organizations vying for money, attention, etc. I'm just working on getting the resentment out of my heart. Good luck to you.

This is the reason why some people post these "Is Minnesota welcoming to newcomers?" threads.

[rcsteiner]

Originally Posted by kuan

This is the reason why some people post these "Is Minnesota welcoming to newcomers?" threads.

I suspect aggressive newcomers are treated somewhat differently than others.

I know I have a special place in my heart for some of the New Yorkers I've met (both up there and down here) over the years.

[minot]

Originally Posted by kuan

This is the reason why some people post these "Is Minnesota welcoming to newcomers?" threads.

Kuan---People post "Is this "place" welcoming to newcomers" for all places, not just Minnesota. Communities can indeed become overwhelmed with too many new people. It's wise not to be dismissive of this and blow it off as rascist, or backward, or unfriendly to outsiders, etc. Often there is good reason.

[santos]

Originally Posted by MN_Nana

I can't believe His question, but shocked at your answer.
The government is paying Those People back for invading Their homeland, Yes, even Germany!

Just as I am shocked at yours.

[my54ford]

Originally Posted by MN_Nana

I can't believe His question, but shocked at your answer.
The government is paying Those People back for invading Their homeland, Yes, even Germany!

Invadeing their homeland I don't think the US ever invaded Somalia. As for invadeing Germany I guess we could have stayed out of that unpleasentness....Wonder what the world would be like today

P.S. I've been to Somalia on the Goverment ticket, the only thing I saw was lots of well fed people in town and tons of grain rotting on the docks.......

To answer the OP: Tribalism pure and simple (as I look across the street at the Halal Falal market)

[Clifford63]

Originally Posted by my54ford

Invadeing their homeland I don't think the US ever invaded Somalia. As for invadeing Germany I guess we could have stayed out of that unpleasentness....Wonder what the world would be like today

P.S. I've been to Somalia on the Goverment ticket, the only thing I saw was lots of well fed people in town and tons of grain rotting on the docks.......

To answer the OP: Tribalism pure and simple (as I look across the street at the Halal Falal market)

It is true that Hmong army did support US agenda in the Vietnam War that was led by the CIA. After the US troops left, there was retaliation against the Hmong. Many were killed and many others were forced into remote areas of the mountians to live. I believe the reference to "paying them back" was probably meant as a reference to this.

I think the Somalia thing is more difficult to understand. Tribal thing has to play a factor and as a group they do seem to understand the value of political pressure very well.

[cdubs3201]

1. Difference between immigrants from Germany 2 generations ago vs. Somalian Refugees: They are refugees. The US did not invade Solmalia, we offered military relief from all the genocide. It was actually a United Nations effort. Also, Germans and other Europeans who immigrated about 100 years ago came to work and helped this nation flourish into an economic and industrial powerhouse. They didn't have their hands out, they came with strong work ethics and family morals that helped build this nation what it is today. And very importantly, they learned the English Language.

2. I went to a high school that had a good number of somalian refugees and I can tell you they weren't pleasant to be around. I always felt bad because of the situation they were in, but they were full aware of how to speak the english language, but instead would talk behind our backs in their native tongue. It also was a little tough knowing they were getting a nice setup courtesy of the U.S. Government that my family paid taxes to.