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Old 06-22-2010, 10:45 PM
 
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why are registered sex offenders of young children allowed to live across the street from an elementary school?

I am very upset when I learned not one but two reg. sex offenders are living in two seperate places across from an elem. school. Young children are their thing.

And what can I do about this?
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Old 06-23-2010, 01:05 AM
 
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Do you even know WHY they are sex offenders? Why do people just assume "sex offender" means pederast? And even if these are pederasts, what's it matter where they live if you KNOW THEY ARE PEDERASTS? Tell your kids not to talk to strangers and it's not a problem.

Our culture has, since the Clinton administration, been devolving into a new McCarthyism where a "predator" lurks around every Bush (pun sort of intended). Get over it.
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Old 06-23-2010, 06:10 AM
 
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Do you even know WHY they are sex offenders? Why do people just assume "sex offender" means pederast? And even if these are pederasts, what's it matter where they live if you KNOW THEY ARE PEDERASTS? Tell your kids not to talk to strangers and it's not a problem.

Our culture has, since the Clinton administration, been devolving into a new McCarthyism where a "predator" lurks around every Bush (pun sort of intended). Get over it.
This

I have a friend who is now labeled as a sex offender for having sex with a 16 yr old when he was 18.
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Old 06-23-2010, 09:05 AM
 
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National Sex Offender Registry

Put in the search and see what they did. I am not sure but I think there may be laws that say you have to live so far away from schools etc.

Don't listen to the people who say "get over it". Someone has to give a crap. And just telling your kid not to talk to strangers won't keep them safe if they a grabbed walking home. (common tactic)
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Old 06-23-2010, 10:08 AM
 
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No, that is absolutely NOT true. Do the research and stop listening to the lunatic talking heads on FOX. The FBI (ever heard of them?) keeps statistics on all crimes and ANYONE there will tell you stranger abductions are EXTREMELY RARE. How rare is that? Fewer than ten per year, that's how rare. Strangers snatching kids off the street is NOT "a common tactic" at all - you'd be better off worrying about your kid getting struck by lightning.

The people who RAPE CHILDREN are people they know and who trust them. In nearly every case it is not a stranger, but someone that kid knows - parent, sibling, uncle, teacher, priest, coach, friend of mom and dad, etc. In nearly every case it is someone who is allowed access to that child with the consent of the parent, this is how these folks get access to children again and again, often for years, without being detected. When a parent gets wind something is wrong, often they simply outcast that person and try to go on with life as if it never happened because they want to spare the child "more grief" by getting the law involved. The reality is that in most cases a plea bargain will be made and that person will go away for many years without the victims even having to see a court room, but the parents (or, usually, parent) never pursue it far enough to realize this. In many cases the custodial parent (usually mom but not always) will even know about it and make excuses for that person.

I know these things because it has happened in my own family - twice - most recently just a couple of years ago. I'll spare you the details but the first involved a parent and a daughter and the second involved a friend of the family who had been doing this with many girls over the years. He had a pattern of befriending families with young daughters and getting trusted enough those parents would allow him time alone with their kids. When the law became involved it was confirmed he had been doing this for years with many families and every one of them had quietly locked him out of the family rather than trying to lock him up.

And I'm sick to death of seeing our liberties eroded in the name of "protecting the children" when it's really about protecting media corporations and protecting our government from the people our government is supposed to serve. Government cannot protect your children, and you do not serve them by locking them away from society. They have to be taught to function within our society, and you don't do that by teaching them to be afraid of their own shadow or by making yourself (or them) blind to the realities of our society.

http://domesticfather.com/2008/08/mi...hild-abduction
http://domesticfather.com/2008/08/th...ion-statistics
http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/doc..._nonfamily.pdf

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Old 06-23-2010, 08:21 PM
 
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It doesn't hurt to be aware of who lives near you or the school your children attend. It is estimated that more than 100,000 children are being forced into prostitution at this moment in the United States. Child trafficking and stranger abductions are growing, and the current figures for stranger abduction are much greater than you realize at 24%, and 74% of stranger abductions are girls.

As a parent myself I understand and appreciate your concern, because it is a parents responsibility to know these things.

I will add that some people who are labeled sex offenders have gotten a bad rap. If an 18 year old guy sleeps with a 16 year old girl he can be labeled a sex offender or vice versa. Even though the law says it's wrong, an 18 year old, still just a kid him/her self shouldn't have to carry around the stigma of being compared to rapists, molesters, etc. for the rest of their life just because he or she happened to fall in love with, or even just lust with another teenager who may not even have told the truth about their age.

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Old 06-23-2010, 11:00 PM
 
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Umm... so where's the stats to back this up? Stranger abductions in the US have been going down for decades, and stranger abductions in MS are rare as hen's teeth. Knowledge and information are two very differnt things, and filling your hea with BAD INFORMATION tendered from talking heads on TV who have their owbn agenda to push is not contributing to knowledge, it's just furthering ignorance.

BTW in most any state I know of (and especially here) there's nothing you can do about a 16 year old and an 18 year old but try to keep them apart. As long as there's less than three year's difference it's not a crime so long as the youngest is over 13. If the youngest is under 13 it's not even a crime if there's less than two years difference. However, because of draconian and reactionary "child pornography" laws, it can become a federal crime - even if both parties are under 12 - once a camera becomes involved.
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Old 06-24-2010, 07:52 AM
 
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Umm... so where's the stats to back this up? Stranger abductions in the US have been going down for decades, and stranger abductions in MS are rare as hen's teeth. Knowledge and information are two very differnt things, and filling your hea with BAD INFORMATION tendered from talking heads on TV who have their owbn agenda to push is not contributing to knowledge, it's just furthering ignorance.

BTW in most any state I know of (and especially here) there's nothing you can do about a 16 year old and an 18 year old but try to keep them apart. As long as there's less than three year's difference it's not a crime so long as the youngest is over 13. If the youngest is under 13 it's not even a crime if there's less than two years difference. However, because of draconian and reactionary "child pornography" laws, it can become a federal crime - even if both parties are under 12 - once a camera becomes involved.
Statistics on Child Abduction: Parents Fear Kidnapping More Than Car Accidents - What are the Odds? (http://child-abuse.suite101.com/article.cfm/statistics_on_child_abduction - broken link)

According to the FBI, family kidnappings account for only 50% of child kidnappings, and 80% of ALL kidnappings are sexually motivated.

According to the AMBER ALERT REGISTRY, 3,000 to 5,000 abductions per year are non-family abductions, and 74% of child abductions are girls. This report also says that only 72.8% of child abductions are by someone the child knows.
http://www.amberalert.gov/pdfs/08_amber_report.pdf

According to THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE 80% of abductions by strangers, the first contact occurred and/or the abduction itself occurred within a quarter mile of the child's home.

A study conducted in 2002 by the National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway and Throwaway Children or NISMART, found that in over 70% of stranger kidnapping victims were taken from outdoor areas like parks and playgrounds, and 7% were taken from public buildings like shopping malls. Of these cases, approximately 90% are committed by males who are between 20-40 years old. In these cases, the child is returned alive only 60% of the time. 4% are never found.
http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/doc..._nonfamily.pdf

I know a girl who was stranger abducted at age 15, and this happened in a small Mississippi town of 7,000 people.

While stranger abductions are not nearly as common as family abductions, you shouldn't discredit a parent's concerns because it DOES happen, and more often than you realize.

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Old 06-24-2010, 03:47 PM
 
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Did you even read you own data?

In 2008 there were 135 "real" Amber alert cases involving 162 abductors. 47 of these abductors were women, 112 were men, and a few remain unknown.

Of these 162, 118 HAD KNOWN RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE CHILDREN.

256 children were involved, the report doesn't make clear at all exactly how many children are represented by the 135 "real" cases.

Let's also not forget "child" in this country has come to mean anyone up to 17 years and 365 days old. A good many of these "missing children" are missing of their own volition, and many of those "child prostitutes" are forced into prostitution, again, as a direct result of their own bad judgement.

Fifteen of these Amber alerts involved infants! Hardly a case where some monster sweeps in from the bushes and grabs a child while they're innocently riding a bike down the street.

Of the 194 AMBER Alerts issued in 2008, apparently motives for AMBER Alert abductions could be determined in only 63 of those 135 legitimate cases.
In 19 of these a family dispute was cited as the reason for the abduction;
in 19 cases a domestic dispute led to the abduction;
in 10 of the cases car theft was the reason for the abduction (meaning it was not really an "abduction" in this context at all);
in 8 cases the abduction was sexually motivated;
in 5 cases ransom was the motive for abduction;
in 2 cases Internet luring was the reason.

Later in the same report a map breaks down the 194 total number thusly:
100 cases were family oriented. It seems likely a good many of these were resolved outside the scope of law enforcement.
70 were nonfamily abduction. Note that "non family" still does not implicitly mean "stranger."
21 were lost injured or missing
3 were endangered runaways

This is hardly a plague of stranger abductions. That's 15 cases where it is known children were deliberately taken and placed in real danger. In another 10 children were taken and placed in danger due to circumstance.

8 children were found dead.
In one case it was a neighbor (not a stranger) and the girl was found in his apartment.
One boy was found dead in a ditch, an apparent victim of an accident in which he was buried and smothered.
Another boy was stabbed to death by his father (not a strnager) and left in the woods.
Another was stabbed to death by her uncle (not a stranger) and left in the woods.
One father killed all three of his children and left them in the woods.
One boy was killed by someone not mentioned and, therefore, likely unknown.

That's ONE CHILD out of all these cases where the killer's identity is not known. In every other resolved case it is someone known to that child and in an alarming number of cases it's the father himself doing the execution.

From 2005 to 2008 the number of amber alerts has consistently declined.

Nowhere do these statistics indicate there are "thousands" of known non-family abductions each year. Where did you come up with this 3000-5000 number? Those numbers are mentioned nowhere in this report you yourself linked.

The point is, again, this focus on "innocent children" being swept off the street is unhealthy for EVERYONE. It is unhealthy for the kids because you are teaching them to fear something that rarely happens - like teaching them that monsters are real and lurking around every corner. It is unhealthy for parents because they focus on what is NOT likelyt to happen rather than preparing for and preventing what is MOST likely to happen. And most of all it is unhealthy for our SOCIETY because we are creating a twisted culture of fear and perversion where children are both fetishised and feared. Children have DIED because adults around them feared intervening when they saw unsupervised children for fear of being labeled a pervert or abductor.

From the DOJ's report on all this:

Strategies for prevention and intervention also need to
recognize that acquaintances play a greater role than
strangers do in abductions that occur outside the family.

In the current study, more than half of the nonfamily
abduction victims were abducted by persons known to
the child.
If parents and law enforcement assume that
abduction is an element only in crimes committed by
strangers, they may fail to provide appropriate preven-
tion information to young people.
More attention needs
to be given to the motives and dynamics of crimes
involving abductions by perpetrators known to the child.

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Old 06-24-2010, 03:48 PM
 
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Go to Family Watchdog.com. You can pull up sex offenders AND their crimes/convictions. There are many parameters you can set to pull up a designated area. I have used this service for years and it saved me from moving to what I thought was an ideal home in an upscale neighborhood, only to find out (in advance, thanks to Family Watchdog) that TWO sex offenders convicted of crimes against children lived on the street (one DIRECTLY across the street) and SIX more were in the abutting neighborhood!!! Sex offenders are restricted as to where they can live and MUST register if they relocate. Please contact your local police or sheriff's department if a sex offender is living close to, across from or beside a school or daycare. A registered sexual offender that fails to report commits a FELONY, and can be returned to prison. I strongly suggest you use Family Watchdog.com. This is NOT an advertisement. I have just used this website to protect myself and my children and it has paid off on more than one occasion and saved me from moving into a home with offenders who have committed crimes against children living on the same street.
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