Ole Miss are now the Black Bears, congrats on caving to a bunch of PC nonsense! (Oxford: compensation, cost)

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by Harrier

Confederate soldiers were not fighting to protect the "peculiar institution", but to defend their families and homes against an invasive and occupying force.

There would have been no invading forces had the slaveowners not rebelled against The United States. Non slave owning white southerners were duped into fighting to protect the interests of the slaveowners. A rich man's war and a poor man's fight. Note that in areas of the South where slavery was uncommon, such as east Tennessee, the rebellion was not supported by the citizenry and many men from such areas fought in The United States Army to suppress the rebellion; over 20,000 east Tennesseans did so.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by Harrier

Confederate soldiers were not fighting to protect the "peculiar institution", but to defend their families and homes against an invasive and occupying force.

The elites were trying to protect the institution of slavery and used poor Whites to fight their fight. The Confederate forces drew first blood by attacking Ft. Sumter.

In the Articles of Secession, slavery is mentioned a few times: Declaration of Causes of Secession



Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

There would have been no invading forces had the slaveowners not rebelled against The United States. Non slave owning white southerners were duped into fighting to protect the interests of the slaveowners. A rich man's war and a poor man's fight. Note that in areas of the South where slavery was uncommon, such as east Tennessee, the rebellion was not supported by the citizenry and many men from such areas fought in The United States Army to suppress the rebellion; over 20,000 east Tennesseans did so.

You touched on something very important. Elite planters and politicians were the ones trying to hold on to the institution of slavery. It was a way of life to them. They used poor Whites to fight a rich man's war.

[danielj72]

I am not an Ole Miss fan but I have to say its sad that PC won out here. I detest political correctness. Hiding images of the old south, the civil war and the Confederacy is just insane. Yes some people may be offended by this history, but that is TOO BAD. Just because your offended does not mean you have the right to dictate to everyone else how they should celebrate their local culture and history. I display confederate images, the first national flag, bonnie blue and yes the dreaded battle flag. Do I do this to make a racial statement?? NO. I do it because I support southern history and because I believe in states rights. I also see the flags of the confederacy displayed on houses and cars near where I live (TN). I respect the effort the confederates made against federal tyranny, even though the north was victorious. Unforntunately that victory emboldened them to the point that government power grew and grew, and well look where we are now. That is a whole other topic. Really I think Ole Miss fans should not only show up with the old mascots image everywhere, they also should show up waving the stars and bars. Stand up in defiance of the leftist PC commies. Its time to stand up for our constitutional rights, and for southern rights.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by danielj72

I am not an Ole Miss fan but I have to say its sad that PC won out here. I detest political correctness. Hiding images of the old south, the civil war and the Confederacy is just insane. Yes some people may be offended by this history, but that is TOO BAD. Just because your offended does not mean you have the right to dictate to everyone else how they should celebrate their local culture and history. I display confederate images, the first national flag, bonnie blue and yes the dreaded battle flag. Do I do this to make a racial statement?? NO. I do it because I support southern history and because I believe in states rights. I also see the flags of the confederacy displayed on houses and cars near where I live (TN). I respect the effort the confederates made against federal tyranny, even though the north was victorious. Unforntunately that victory emboldened them to the point that government power grew and grew, and well look where we are now. That is a whole other topic. Really I think Ole Miss fans should not only show up with the old mascots image everywhere, they also should show up waving the stars and bars. Stand up in defiance of the leftist PC commies. Its time to stand up for our constitutional rights, and for southern rights.

I personally don't have a problem with the name being changed. I don't see the big deal. I will admit to how I feel about this. I don't like the Confederate flag, or anything commemorating it. I don't consider the Civil War a battle for "states rights. It was a rich man's war fought by poor people. The elites and planters stood up and openly admitted that they wanted to keep and maintain slavery. It's in the Articles of Secession. This is why I don't want anything to do with anything Confederate. I can't respect the efforts of the Confederacy. As someone who is the descendant of slaves, I can't respect it. I don't respect it at all.

If Ole Miss wants to change their mascot, by all means, I have not problem.

[dba07]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

I personally don't have a problem with the name being changed. I don't see the big deal. I will admit to how I feel about this. I don't like the Confederate flag, or anything commemorating it. I don't consider the Civil War a battle for "states rights. It was a rich man's war fought by poor people. The elites and planters stood up and openly admitted that they wanted to keep and maintain slavery. It's in the Articles of Secession. This is why I don't want anything to do with anything Confederate. I can't respect the efforts of the Confederacy. As someone who is the descendant of slaves, I can't respect it. I don't respect it at all.

If Ole Miss wants to change their mascot, by all means, I have not problem.

You just described every war. they are all fought by the poor to the benefit of the wealthy.

[ColdAilment]

This is ridiculous. I don't understand how the Colonel was offensive and needed to be replaced as a mascot. The Washington Redskins are next.

There are plenty of high schools in Mississippi that use the "Confederates" as their mascot, soon that will be outlawed too.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by dba07

You just described every war. they are all fought by the poor to the benefit of the wealthy.

But in the context of the Civil War, this is what you have to understand. There are those who say that slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War. The issue of slavery was a big part of this. The elites and planters who owned slavery feared losing their slaves and the institution of slavery ending. However, most of the White population in the South didn't own slavery. The elites had to convince those who didn't own slaves, to fight their war.

[green_mariner]

Well, I would consider this. The Black Bears, well you could that part of southern culture, and Mississippi culture. William Faulkner did write a short story called "The Bear". Southern culture can still be represented.

[dba07]

It is unfair to the brave men who fought on both sides to attach the politics of the rich elite to them. Slavery was one of several reasons the civil war was fought. Im tired of people projecting every single confeferate as an evil slave owning animal. Often the politics of those in power have nothing to do with the guys in the trenches.