Is open racism still common in Mississippi? (Columbia, West: houses, retiree)

[Truckin]

Originally Posted by Listener2307

No. Can't be.

I was about to say. I know people can be fecetious but that just takes the cake.

[annie_himself]

Originally Posted by Truckin

You make no sense. Everybody knows that Mississippi is much greener than Texas. I've been to ft.Worth and that ain't green grass, that's Calechi...lol..you want GREEN grass rich in nutrients, Go anywhere in Mississippi, especially the Delta and find yourself hip-high in lush GREEN grass.. Damn cows will eat for days. Droughts hardly ever hit Mississippi. Droughts hit Texas every year so I know your claims that Ft.Worth is greener than Mississippi is utter BS.

I drive throughout Texas and pound for pound greenest grassy city is Austin hands downs. the other big cities San Antone, Dallas/FW and Houston don't even compare.

Look kid, you wouldn't make such stupid claims if you've been to east Texas. Austin? You haven't driven the entire length of TX 59 I see.

yada yada ...You've never experienced a team in Mississippi so how would you even know?

If the Saints moved to Mississippi tomorrow, the Louisiana fans will not jump ship as you all like to claim. Only thing it will do is make them support even more and pick up more fans in Mississippi.

Green Bay started with nothing and it grew into something. You gotta start somewhere. fact is, they TRIED IT, and it worked. Mississippians are too busy shooting down progressive ideas too much to even see if they work. Just because an industry fails in one state doesn't mean it'll fail in another.

the Jazz were failing in NEW ORLEANS, a HUGE MARKET. but when they got to Utah, they flourished. So your theory is blown to bits.

So you can't tell me that BS logic of yours is the end all be all. the Saints could move to Mississipppi and not skip a beat in sales. same with the Titans. They don't have to have the "home city" support them to make it. that's retarded.

You think the Lakers are ONLY supported by Los Angeles? if that was the case, NO TEAM would survive if they only relied on sales from the main city. the main city is just where they are located. they get money from 51 states including overseas. So again, you make no sense on the Sports team issue. It's just an excuse to shoot down the idea. as always in Mississippi. If it ain't about basket weaving, quilt making and gardens, don't bring it.

And you haven't experienced a team in Mississippi so how would you know?

Kid, these cities weren't as big, the stadiums were the size of high school stadiums, and the NFL wasn't the multi-billion dollar entity it is now, the markets didn't have to be large like they do now to turn a profit.

New Orleans is one of the smallest markets in the country, it's far from a huge market, another indication of your limited knowledge on the subject. We have the Hornets and Saints now, if the Hornets leave it's not about the city but the team management itself, the same reason they left Charlotte.

Once again, you have no idea what it takes to support a team. Do you know how many people it takes, who have money, to support a team?! It's not just people watching and rooting on TV that keeps the support up. The Saints will never leave New Orleans so just forget that dream of yours. Nobody would want to travel to Jackson for a game because there's nothing to do after the game, one reason why the small market of NOLA is such a great city for the NFL and NBA, traveling fans love to spend money there.

You do need the support in your city for a new franchise. How do you think Green Bay has so much support? It gets immense home love and has fans all over the country. How many people support the Houston Texans?! Only people in the direct area give a crap about the Texans, so why are they still here in Houston?! According to you they should have folded years ago. Same with the Saints, no one cared about them until the Sean Peyton era.

I'd love to see Mississippi get a team, before you criticize me again on that, but it's not going to happen as long as Jackson is the same ol town it always was. When a few huge industries can pay the citizens well, city leaders die off, and the city actually begins to grow and prosper, then maybe you can talk about the NFL. As of now, you are dreaming high for no reason.

[Listener2307]

Originally Posted by Truckin

I was about to say. I know people can be fecetious but that just takes the cake.

Well durn!, ya caught me!

[Listener2307]

Originally Posted by annie_himself

...........but it's not going to happen as long as Jackson is the same ol town it always was. When a few huge industries can pay the citizens well, city leaders die off, and the city actually begins to grow and prosper......

Yeah... Isn't it too bad? Do a little search and you'll see where Jackson has lost population steadily since it peaked in 1980. The good people get out because they can.

And that's the way it works. The Great Migrations out of Mississippi took so very many of our brightest and most ambitious people and led them off to, I guess, every state in the union.

What has happened in Jackson is a reflection of what has happened all over the state, with the exception of a few exceptional - and sometimes lucky - areas.

Mississippi doesn't grow any more than our capitol. Look:

1900 1.551 Million
1910 1.797
1920 1.790
1930 2.009
1940 2.183
1950 2.178
1960 2.178
1970 2.216
1980 2.520
1990 2.573
2000 2.844
2010 2.871
You have to laugh! Our poor state has not managed to double it's population in 110 years! And in some 10 year periods even lost population.


But in spite of that we like living here. Although I am mostly retired, my profession allows me to work from anywhere on earth. Mississippi, with its low taxes and low stress, is better than most places for me.
But if some young person wants to set off and set the world afire I can sure understand it. That's what I did. I've lived in Seattle, San Diego, San Francisco, Chicago, Atlanta, Huntsville, Al, Ft Worth, and have visited 49 states and 18 foreign countries, so I claim to know what I'm talking about.


To me, a successful life is about getting my overhead down low enough so that I am fully protected financially and making my wife happy (actually, they are connected, aren't they?). And I can do that in Mississippi.


Racism? Yeah, I guess so. But you can find that everywhere. I have. But I won't be participating, and that's what counts.

[Truckin]

Originally Posted by annie_himself

Look kid, you wouldn't make such stupid claims if you've been to east Texas. Austin? You haven't driven the entire length of TX 59 I see.

If you need more proof that Mississippi is just as green or GREENER than some lone hwy 59 in Texas. Justtlook at a Physical Map of both states.

I'm a bit more travelled than you are so I have a more concrete validation as to which state is greener. And from what I've seen and continue to see with my own eyes is Mississippi tops Texas in green grass, hands down.

And you haven't experienced a team in Mississippi so how would you know?

I Haven't. But I do know business and how markets work and none of my knowledge of markets shows that the Saints or Titans would fail in Mississippi. why? because the markets are just too close to fail. If the Saints and Titans were more than 6 hours away in all directions, you might have a case. As of right now you don't. a Team could work in Mississippi. case closed.

Kid, these cities weren't as big, the stadiums were the size of high school stadiums, and the NFL wasn't the multi-billion dollar entity it is now, the markets didn't have to be large like they do now to turn a profit.

New Orleans is one of the smallest markets in the country, it's far from a huge market, another indication of your limited knowledge on the subject. We have the Hornets and Saints now, if the Hornets leave it's not about the city but the team management itself, the same reason they left Charlotte.

New Orleans has a over a million in Population. small market? I think not. they have the Hornets and Saints. So your research is flawed and
un-useable.. try again.

Once again, you have no idea what it takes to support a team. Do you know how many people it takes, who have money, to support a team?! It's not just people watching and rooting on TV that keeps the support up. The Saints will never leave New Orleans so just forget that dream of yours. Nobody would want to travel to Jackson for a game because there's nothing to do after the game, one reason why the small market of NOLA is such a great city for the NFL and NBA, traveling fans love to spend money there.

You don't know what a team's Owner will do,, you're just spouting your opinions which mean nothing to the potential of a team surviving in MIssissippi. AND it's MILLIONS of dollars of OLD MONEY in Mississippi. It would only take 3 people to Own a team. It's just that much old money in Mississippi. So money is no object. try again.

And as much as people try to promote the good things of Mississippi, having a team is the perfect vehicle to promote them. people who come to the games, get the other "good things" Mississippi. People always claim Mississippi gets a raw deal on their image, WELL, a Sports team would attract people to find out just how nice Mississippi is and in turn would go tell others and return with MONEY TO SPEND. It's not hard to envision progress for Mississippi, Problem is, most of you don't think outside the box long enough to see it. Always shooting down possibilities before you even know enough to shoot them down. let you tell it NO TEAM should work in their own markets because it's not enough money...lol...that's a joke. Money is everywhere, especially in Mississippi. Old Money.

You do need the support in your city for a new franchise. How do you think Green Bay has so much support? It gets immense home love and has fans all over the country. How many people support the Houston Texans?! Only people in the direct area give a crap about the Texans, so why are they still here in Houston?! According to you they should have folded years ago. Same with the Saints, no one cared about them until the Sean Peyton era.

No you don't. all you really need to get started is a tax break to attract the team. That's how all teams do it. the rest is money in the bank. Lakers, Colts, Ravens, Grizzlies, Hornets, Jazz, etc...ALL moved from where they were to a new locale and did just fine and it was because of tax break from that city that attracted the Owner to move there.. to say a move to Mississippi won't work is just assinine on it's face. the NBA and NFL won't even allow a team to go under, even if it moved to Mississippi. so you're NOT MAKING ANY SENSE.

I'd love to see Mississippi get a team, before you criticize me again on that, but it's not going to happen as long as Jackson is the same ol town it always was. When a few huge industries can pay the citizens well, city leaders die off, and the city actually begins to grow and prosper, then maybe you can talk about the NFL. As of now, you are dreaming high for no reason.

Something tells me you really wouldn't want to see that. You're just talking to talk right now.

Fact is, a Sports Team is an industry in itself. It alone can produces a mess of jobs and churn up money for the city/state almost immediately. They always need trainers, ball boys, concession workers, Security, even entry level/high end jobs ON THE TEAM such as coaches, assistants, accountants, etc...those are JOBS for kids coming out of JSU, Millsaps, Belhaven Mississippi college, etc..all over the state. Just like Nissan did. and Toyota is trying to do. Not to mention hiring coaches from colleges around the area, they are skillful too.

Coach Carroll(Seattle) went from USC to the Seahawks, why? because the Seahawks owner saw him winning on the college level and knew he could do it because he did it for the Patriots.

The bulk of Mississippi's money should come from tourism and entertainment because it's way too late and way too many retirees in Mississippi to build things like oil refineries and other industries that will cost too much money to bring in. And the oldheads of Mississippi will vote to their graves against any type of "groundbreaking" of the soil around the state unless they get a HUGE chunk of the profits that no fool will pay. So Tourism and Entertainment should be the economic engines of Mississippi. It's already geared that way. It's not set up or geared any other way.

So when you say "Ah it'll never work in Mississippi", you're really echoing the negative attitude that so many Mississippians already have. They don't have it, so it must not work there. WRONG. Try it and find out. that's a cost of doing business.

Mississippi makes all kinds of financial boo boos, a shot at a Sport Team can't hurt.

[Truckin]

Originally Posted by Listener2307

Yeah... Isn't it too bad? Do a little search and you'll see where Jackson has lost population steadily since it peaked in 1980. The good people get out because they can.

And that's the way it works. The Great Migrations out of Mississippi took so very many of our brightest and most ambitious people and led them off to, I guess, every state in the union.

What has happened in Jackson is a reflection of what has happened all over the state, with the exception of a few exceptional - and sometimes lucky - areas.

Mississippi doesn't grow any more than our capitol. Look:

1900 1.551 Million
1910 1.797
1920 1.790
1930 2.009
1940 2.183
1950 2.178
1960 2.178
1970 2.216
1980 2.520
1990 2.573
2000 2.844
2010 2.871
You have to laugh! Our poor state has not managed to double it's population in 110 years! And in some 10 year periods even lost population.

And^this is by design. Suffocate the potential of the people and you only end up suffocating the state because those that know, get the hell out.

But in spite of that we like living here. Although I am mostly retired, my profession allows me to work from anywhere on earth. Mississippi, with its low taxes and low stress, is better than most places for me.
But if some young person wants to set off and set the world afire I can sure understand it. That's what I did. I've lived in Seattle, San Diego, San Francisco, Chicago, Atlanta, Huntsville, Al, Ft Worth, and have visited 49 states and 18 foreign countries, so I claim to know what I'm talking about.


To me, a successful life is about getting my overhead down low enough so that I am fully protected financially and making my wife happy (actually, they are connected, aren't they?). And I can do that in Mississippi.

You are the 1% in Mississippi. the other 99% can't even fathom this^. And that's my point.

Mississippi = the Ultimate Retirement Community.

It is what it is.

As I've stated, Mississippi is not the best place to be 21-50 years old with ambitious goals. I say 21, but it can easily be 18years old. but anything above 50y/o, you're in one of the best states to live in, hands down. Mississippi caters big time to it's retirees. That's one of the main reasons progress and growth is discouraged and deadlocked in the state. they have the most money, so guess where the state's congressman's vote is going?

[jhadorn]

Originally Posted by Truckin

And^this is by design. Suffocate the potential of the people and you only end up suffocating the state because those that know, get the hell out.




You are the 1% in Mississippi. the other 99% can't even fathom this^. And that's my point.

Mississippi = the Ultimate Retirement Community.

It is what it is.

As I've stated, Mississippi is not the best place to be 21-50 years old with ambitious goals. I say 21, but it can easily be 18years old. but anything above 50y/o, you're in one of the best states to live in, hands down. Mississippi caters big time to it's retirees. That's one of the main reasons progress and growth is discouraged and deadlocked in the state. they have the most money, so guess where the state's congressman's vote is going?

You aren't saying anything that most of us don't already know. We know many people leave Mississippi for better opportunities, and we know why, however, that isn't what this thread was about.

You've taken it in so many different directions.

To address the ultimate retirement community you keep referencing, are you aware the percentage of persons 65 or older is less than the national average? I'm not claiming this without having done the research, it's from the US Census Bureau. 12.8% of 3 million is 384,000 persons 65 or older.

Mississippi QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

Compare that to Florida. 17.3 percent of 19 million is 3,287,000 persons 65 or older.

Florida QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

You are saying that 12.8% of the population influences the congressmen enough to keep the vote for retirees.

If retirees want things to stay undeveloped and have no growth, why does Florida have all the amenities it does? Why are retired people still moving there if they don't want to be around that? Why are they not moving to Mississippi if the vote caters to the retired crowd?

Mississippi is held back partly because of its image, partly because of the good ole boy network, and partly because it's a poor state.

[annie_himself]

You are not worth wasting 30 seconds on.

[Truckin]

Originally Posted by jhadorn

You aren't saying anything that most of us don't already know. We know many people leave Mississippi for better opportunities, and we know why, however, that isn't what this thread was about.

I've scanned a few of the topics in the Mississippi forum and most of the repsonses are as if the resident Mississippians don't know what's going on and would rather tell folks to leave if they don't like it rather than point out the facts of the state and why people leave. So far I count myself as the only one saying it's the Ultimate Retirement Community. Everybody else is pretty much quiet.

You've taken it in so many different directions.

Only to keep you guys from deflecting so much off topic.

To address the ultimate retirement community you keep referencing, are you aware the percentage of persons 65 or older is less than the national average? I'm not claiming this without having done the research, it's from the US Census Bureau. 12.8% of 3 million is 384,000 persons 65 or older.

Mississippi QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

Compare that to Florida. 17.3 percent of 19 million is 3,287,000 persons 65 or older.

Florida QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

You are saying that 12.8% of the population influences the congressmen enough to keep the vote for retirees.

Yes indeed. especially when the other 87.2% don't even bother to vote at all. the Retirees win in a landslide every voting cycle. Hands down. And they influence their children to vote in kind with them.

If retirees want things to stay undeveloped and have no growth, why does Florida have all the amenities it does? Why are retired people still moving there if they don't want to be around that? Why are they not moving to Mississippi if the vote caters to the retired crowd?

99% of the Florida retirees are snowbirds from up North with more progressive yet laid back ideals and attitudes, so a little "something to do" is ok with them.

But the retirees from Mississippi are a totally different animal in that, they could care less about amenities, just give them the country backwoods with no neighbors for miles around and they are happy as a pig in poop.

Mississippi is held back partly because of its image, partly because of the good ole boy network, and partly because it's a poor state.

...AND partly because the Old money retirees don't want it.

And why is it a poor state?

[jhadorn]

Actually, Mississippi has a higher voter turnout percentage than Utah, District of Columbia, New Jersey, New York, Texas, Tennessee, and West Virginia.

It is nearly identical in voting percentage to Arkansas, Indiana, and Nebraska.

There are 5 states with less than 2% points higher turnout than Mississippi.

Mississippi is actually middle of the pack in voter turnout. Do you research anything before you make your claims?

United States Elections Project

What i'm hearing is alot of unsubstantiated opinions from you. Where are your sources?