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Old 01-30-2015, 06:37 PM
 
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Nothing against MS at all, but if NOLA is too ghetto for you I'd try Savannah or maybe even Charleston SC
If you're dead set on MS, I'd spend some time there looking around before I made a permanent move...jmo


I want some southern decadence, big fancy old homes and southern belles/gentlemen. I don't mind a place a bit frozen in time. I much prefer the social conventions of yesteryear anyhow.

Are you sure you didn't just finish reading Gone With The Wind?? LOL

This all day, if you think NOLA is too ghetto, the 'Sip ain't for you!
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Old 02-01-2015, 07:42 PM
 
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I believe that the "underground Gay scene, because of the UMC Theatre Crowd" comment was a JOKE.

Actually, in Mississippi's Gay World, being in a 'creative' field makes one a total sexual UNTOUCHABLE, and the "theatre crowd" are going to the people nobody wants. So, the theatre is not going to be a "social nucleus". In Mississippi's Gay World, everybody wants Larry the Cable Guy. Everybody wants "a Bubba". Standards of masculinity, in Mississippi, are the highest in the nation (probably because the average IQ is the lowest in the nation, and the importance of gender rises, as intelligence decreases...). Mississippi's is an Afro-Celtic culture, and gender issues are elevated to an importance which is totally beyond belief.

My Decorator and Ad Man are both Gay, and neither has ever been in a relationship - because they're perceived as being "Queens" - because they're "too refined", and not in "acceptable" lines of work. Those two were among my first friends, when I got to college at age 17, and so I've had over three three decades, to hear every detail and nuance of their dilemmas. These men did more than anyone, in transforming me, and my husband, into the people we are, today. They're "Immediate Family", as far as we're concerned, and so I am deeply invested in their lives. They live in McMansions in Madison, and have absolutely nothing to do with "The Gay Community". They don't even know the names of the Gay bars, although they assume that there are some... "Somewhere in Jackson, I'm sure: but I can guarantee you won't find anything but broken-down losers in those places...".

My friends' stories are actually quite typical for Upper Middle Class/High-IQ Gay men who are trapped in the state. "Honestly, it's OK: I just consider myself to be living all alone on a mountaintop. ...only, it's a very convenient mountaintop, with the World's Most Beautiful Kroger http://cmsimg.clarionledger.com/apps...&Maxh=465&q=90 , only minutes away!" And honestly, that goes for most of the Straight high-profile types in Madison, too: they just want to be left alone. As my Ad Man says: [i]"Madison's a little gold-plated lifeboat - full of Garbos. And so we all just keep to ourselves..."
GG, you need to hook up the Ad man and decorator.
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Old 02-02-2015, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Lake Oswego, Manhattan, Aspen
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GG, you need to hook up the Ad man and decorator.
Remember, I said "Everybody wants Larry the Cable Guy". Neither of them looks or acts anything like Larry the Cable Guy. So, neither of them is even remotely attracted to the other one. They've both been in our little original pod of friends, since our freshman semester. And while they don't dislike one another, and collaborate effectively on projects, on an ongoing basis, neither has any qualities the other would want to import. And Importation is the basis of attraction.

I've heard, enough times, what they like, that I can pretty-much generalize, for both of them (And when I list the following, I'm talking about those examples at the height of any attractiveness they may have possessed.)

HIDEOUS & REPULSIVE - "So disgusting I want to vomit"
:
Sal Mineo; Leonardo diCaprio; Eric McCormack & Sean Hayes (both from Will & Grace); Jake Gyllenhaal; Tony Curtis; Mikhail Baryshnikov; John Travolta, Tom Hanks...

DADDY!:
Roger Cook from This Old House "Before those sleazy idiots ruined his bangs" (http://groovygreenlivin.com/wp-conte...k-headshot.jpg)

Patrick Warburton, "But not if his hair is greased, or his eyebrows are messed-with" (http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazin...-shirtless.jpg)

Chris Hemsworth (http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/201...orth-7-768.jpg) "But only when his hair is clean, and the stylists haven't been plucking his eyebrows or putting mascara on him..."

Vincent Urbank (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...a72af15739.jpg)

Rik Drasin (then: http://www.armyourbody.com/images/ric-drasin-arms.jpg)

Bill Goldberg (http://www.superiorpics.com/pictures...iceR000822.jpg

Brett Favre, "Especially with the BEARD!!!" (http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images...jpg?1393956934 "He's so hot, now, I'll just fall over DEAD, if I look at him too much"

Pretty-much any Icelandic Powerlifter (http://img.poptower.com/pic-132162/h...sson.jpg?d=600)

And, last but hardly least, The Bounty Paper Towel Man "The first one! Before they gave him that Late Eighties horror-hair, and definitely before that greazy-headed THING they've got, now..." https://sanceau.files.wordpress.com/...essinsider.jpg

__________

With such a list, I think you can see how two men who look and dress like the highest echelon of Parisian bankers (but with muscles, and without hair grease) would fail to be attracted to one another.

So, if OP does move to Mississippi, I believe that if he finds Leonardo diCaprio or Sal Mineo lookalikes attractive, he will have little or no competition for their attentions.

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Old 02-11-2015, 12:19 AM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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Hey there, 21 year old Boston (well, Brookline..) native. There has always been something about the South that fascinates me. Especially MS since its the most southern place of the South (culturally, that is....geographically Key West has got you beat)

A bit about me, I have been a secretary for a realtor since age 17 however she recently passed away suddenly leaving me jobless and mentorless. I wanna go into real estate career wise but I'm currently unemployed and forced to move because my parents are retiring and moving effing Costa Rica. I'm gay however you wouldn't know it unless you put a camera in my bedroom and looked through my browsing history lol. I'm the antithesis of the activist type and I don't care that MS doesn't a bunch of special laws to protect me because of who I like to date. I don't really need to be near a popping gay scene because I'm not a big club goer anyways and thanks to certain websites and apps, I can meet guys from my living room now lol.


Here is what I am looking for:
A more affluent place or at least a town with some wealth in it. My career depends on people buying houses. However I want to live in a place with some history and old beautiful homes. I know tha Madison county is generally the richest place in the state followed by DeSoto county, however those are basically newer suburbs created to facilitate White flight from Jackson and Memphis repetitively....I did a Google Street View and they basically look like cookie cutter McMansion suburbs...no thank you ma'am.

I want some southern decadence, big fancy old homes and southern belles/gentlemen. I don't mind a place a bit frozen in time. I much prefer the social conventions of yesteryear anyhow.

It would be cool if there was somewhere a bit..quirky. In the more liberal states quirky is now mainstream so towns like Woodstock NY or Greenwich Village in NYC or Amherst, MA or Jamaica Plain, Boston or Berkeley, CA have stopped being havens for the weirdos/homosexuals/hippies of the states they're in because havens aren't needed because that's all mainstream now. More conservative states tend to still have those little towns or neighborhoods where the alternative people can congregate (ie Eureka Springs AR, Asheville NC etc). I read somewhere that Hattiesburg MS has an underground scene of gays and other assorted misfits because of the USM theatre prescense but from looking at street view, it just looks like an economically depressed town.


Oxford? It seems absolutely lovely but I'm not a student and even if I did take some classes at Ole Miss I'm now too old to be part of the college undergrad scene without being the weird older guy...is Oxford just all about the University? Or is there more to Oxford than just a college town?

Is there anywhere IN Jackson itself that has a bit of quirk to it? However I'm white and I don't wanna be the only white guy that lives in Jackson city limits lol

Perhaps the coast? I gather Biloxi probably has some edge to it being a casino town...but I've read that it's pretty much crap outside the casinos. There are some other towns on the coast, but do they have anything going for them? Is it worth the risk with the hurricanes.

I know someone is going to say that if I want quirky and Deep South I should head to NOLA, but too be honest I've been there and it's kind of ghetto as hell lol. Atlanta is pretty much a generic city, Huntsville has lots of transplants and B-ham is trying to be ATL junior which is good for their economy but bad for people that appreciate the genuine Deep South.

Where in MS d'you recommend? I would ideally either rent a pretty old southern bungalow 'in town' or a cute house on some land outside of town..I have savings and I am taking my real estate broker licensing exam here in MA which is reciprocal with MS.
I would recommend north Jackson around Fondren and Bellhaven, there is something of a hipster movement transpiring there, near the Baptist Hospital, a lot of nice locally owned restaurants and stores, I was pleasantly surprised to find this jewel in the city of Jackson. I'm not familiar on Jackson neighborhoods, I'm not sure how many good historical ones are left.

Columbus and Natchez have the most antebellum homes, and are absolutely breath taking. Columbus has a lovely and quaint downtown to boot, it's a city where you can make a postcard from almost any street corner. It's a bit of a college town though, but usually has a lot of events going on. Columbus is also fairly close to Tuscaloosa and Starkville, and only about 60 miles from Tupelo, another nice city to visit.

Honestly, my absolute favorite place to visit in Mississippi is the coast. Biloxi, Ocean Springs, Gulf Port, D'Ibberville, all lovely little towns.

Gulf Port is the biggest, and probably the most ordinary of the cities. They have a nice beach themed downtown, it feels very modern and even classy.

Ocean Springs is the beach getaway. Lots of condos and rented homes, an incredibly charming little downtown with a strip of about 8 or 9 bars, it feels like a miniature Bourbon Street, they will periodically close off this street to cars and make it foot traffic only. Ocean Springs is a very lively little town, I'd live there if I could.

Biloxi is the party city, it boasts the most casinos, the most beaches, the most beach themed restaurants. Biloxi has all the major parades, Biloxi has Keesler AFB, a major employer to the area, also brings some much needed diversity to the city. Biloxi also has a high Asian population, specifically Vietnamese, might be able to find a restaurant or two in that kind of food. Downtown Biloxi is not to be underrated either. I wouldn't write it off as a bad city, the entire Mississippi coast has yet to fully recover from Hurricane Katrina, some things will never be the same, and Biloxi does have a lot of empty lots where there once were houses.

D'Iberville is suburban paradise. All of the major retailers and big box office stores are located there. They have a very well set up shopping center, almost any mid tier store or chain restaurant you could ask for is in that city, and D'Iberville is continuing to grow.

Don't write off Hattiesburg either. MAJOR college town, probably has one of the better malls in the state. Probably the second or third largest retail hub in the state as well. Hattiesburg also has a very nice downtown.

If I HAD to live in Mississippi it'd be one of these areas, in this order:

The Coast
Memphis Suburbs
Jackson/Jackson Suburbs
Golden Triangle (Columbus, Starkville, West Point)
Hattiesburg
Tupelo
Natchez

Outside of those cities and areas, the state is a bore, not much to see or do, just an area that's frozen in time and ways of thinking.
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Old 02-11-2015, 12:27 AM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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It may fall under the spectrum of "normal" in the sense that people generally just want to get by, be around people they love and do their thing. However it is very different than a lot of places in the U.S..

To be blunt, similar kinds of people (however you want to group them) are a lot a like all over the Country but the places are not the same. A place like Boston is very different than a place like Jackson. There are entire lifestyles and cultures that are not available in Jackson that are common in Boston.

For example, there exists no Orthodox Jewish community in Jackson. There isnt a single kosher place.

There is no place to dock a yacht.

You cant charter a heavy private jet in Jackson (it has to come from somewhere else)

I could write a list a mile long but I think I have illustrated the point.
All those things are because Jackson is too small and not ocean front. Kind of a poor and unfair list against Jackson in my opinion. Not saying it's a great city, but you can't expect to have anywhere close to what Boston has, a city that has more people than the ENTIRE state of Mississippi.
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Old 02-11-2015, 02:15 AM
 
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All those things are because Jackson is too small and not ocean front. Kind of a poor and unfair list against Jackson in my opinion. Not saying it's a great city, but you can't expect to have anywhere close to what Boston has, a city that has more people than the ENTIRE state of Mississippi.
I agree to a point. Of course you cant "fairly" compare Jackson things to do to Boston's....but it is still factual. I dont have to be "fair."

I would also say, Jackson suck compared to a lot of cities (metro areas) of similar size.
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Old 02-11-2015, 09:45 AM
 
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GG nailed it.

OP, don't do it.
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
Don't do it.

Your perception of Mississippi is a fantasy that does not exist. I am straight, a film actor born and raised in Mississippi, and even going back just to visit is extremely difficult for me. There is nothing effeminate about me, and my family has met my now ex-wife and more than one girlfriend. Yet, I still have to deal with slander and rumors of being "a godd**m Q***r" as some of my Aunts and Uncles put it, simply due to moronic backwoods hillybilly thinking. All because I'm not a blue collar worker, and the fact that i'm an actor. I have a couple of cousins I am close to and grew up with and know me better than anyone, defend me, but it's no use. In their world, no straight man would ever be an actor. The backwards ass thinking will grind on you, trust me. If they even suspect you are gay, you will have problems. Furthermore, your Boston accent will insure you are treated differently than locals. Don't let anyone on this board try to tell you differently. And I'd bet my paycheck that you would not find Ocean Springs, Biloxi or any of those areas "beautiful" unless you've never traveled out of the Boston area.
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Old 02-11-2015, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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I agree to a point. Of course you cant "fairly" compare Jackson things to do to Boston's....but it is still factual. I dont have to be "fair."

I would also say, Jackson suck compared to a lot of cities (metro areas) of similar size.
I'd have to mostly disagree with you on that point. Jackson, while a struggling city in many areas is still a city, and for the most part offers everything you'd expect to find in a metro area of roughly half a million people. I can think of nicer and more desirable cities, but those are usually do to geography or social issues, and usually not related to the available amenities of the city. Jackson offers just as much as the next land locked Metro area of around 500,000 residents.
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Old 02-11-2015, 03:04 PM
 
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I'd have to mostly disagree with you on that point. Jackson, while a struggling city in many areas is still a city, and for the most part offers everything you'd expect to find in a metro area of roughly half a million people. I can think of nicer and more desirable cities, but those are usually do to geography or social issues, and usually not related to the available amenities of the city. Jackson offers just as much as the next land locked Metro area of around 500,000 residents.
Jackson is listed as the 83rd largest metro area in the Country. If I look at 70-100, Jackson doesnt fair very well at all. Take a real close look at many of those similar sized metro areas. Jackson fairs really bad.

List of metropolitan areas of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mississippi comes in last in so many metrics. Is it really surprising Jackson would not rank well either, even when compared to peer metro areas?

Where is the IMAX?

Where is a theme park? A water park? An adult place like Dave and Busters?

Where is a central entertainment/bar district?

Where is any diversity outside of Christian whites and Christian blacks?

Where are the integrated poor and rich areas? Boise Idaho (as do many of 70-100) has and orthodox Jewish community.

Where is the Asian community?

The actual city of Jackson itself doesnt even have a movie theater. The Metro area lacks many of the national chains you find in even smaller markets.

The list is fairly long. I fully understand that one can love the Jackson area but it is hard to defend it in the face of comparison.
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Old 02-11-2015, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Outer Boroughs, NYC
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@GrandviewGloria. You speak the truth too often. I grew up gay in Georgia, and though GA is a bit better than Mississippi (what state isn't better than Mississippi?), the southern code of masculinity is similar even now.

In the South, hyper-masculinity is admired. Although a number of "Cable Guy" white southern bubbas (and their black macho equivalents) are attracted to the more feminine gay men, these guys are often married to women or else single "on the down low", so they fool around discreetly on the side. They generally won't be seen with less masculine men in public (no breakfast for two at Huddle House, no long-term exclusive relationship possible).

About supermarket music: Background music at a store is really up to the manager. My nearest supermarket in NYC features nonstop 1970s oldies (it's Bee Gees, Donna Summer, Chic, and Billy Joel all day long). Your chances of hearing Brahms won't be very high unless you're in a high-end gourmet market, and there's no guarantee you won't hear bubblegum hits from the '60s at Whole Foods.

Now back to the OP (there is that) -- yes, this seems to be a typical case of moonlight-and-magnolias southern illusions, too many Gone with the Wind and Raintree County viewings. Lots of white northern and western women seem to be afflicted by the germ. Don't know why. Not that the South isn't interesting -- it really is, and I'd recommend a visit to anyone -- but it will be an adjustment for most people (gay and straight) to live there unless you are in a sizable metro area (Atlanta, Charlotte, Richmond, Nashville, Birmingham, Miami). Mississippi has no cities of that size, and it is provincial and kind of behind the times (even compared to Alabama). Mississippi masculinity is defined "up" (or "down" depending on how you see it). I'll add this: the smartest, most attractive, and most educated heterosexual women from Mississippi I've met have ALL left the state as of 2015.

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