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Old 06-23-2015, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Originally Posted by Ivory Lee Spurlock View Post
If I understand correctly, The Confederate flag did not become a part of the Mississippi State Flag until the early sixties when the Feds ordered the public schools to integrate.
Nope, it was adopted in 1894.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Mississippi

I wonder if removing Confederate memorials is somewhere down the line.
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Old 06-23-2015, 09:35 AM
 
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Demanding that these flags be removed is a move in hatred against Southern heritage.
You might want to think about biting the hands that feed you unless you are ready to start feeding yourselves.

Nonsense. It if was really about "pride in Southern heritage" you'd put up a big flag of fried chicken and be just as happy. That flag is a flag of traitors to our nation, a flag of people who lived a full 150 years ago who lost a war that was immoral to fight for in the first place. In every other country in the world, the flag would have been against the law to fly after a divisive sect that tried to revolt lost a violent and costly war. It was a symbol of treason, and of preserving slavery of human beings. There was nothing "genteel" about keeping people segregated, about fighting against the nation industrializing and progressing technologically, about lychings where people brought their children to watch, or about keeping the poor poor and helping the rich stay rich (free labor is the only reason these people got rich in the first place, and they wanted to keep it that way).

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you, Mississippi is a welfare state, a state that takes more from the US government financially than it gives back. And it has the nerve to fly the flag of a traitor group who tried to leave the country and killed many of its citizens, even a century and a half after that group LOST. These were terrorists, the same as ISIS trying to break off from a democratic government in Iraq. And you still want to fly the ISIS flag, a flag that symbolized terror, ignorance, hatred, and violence, over your state buildings which the US government pays for. Not to mention, the only reason that flag even went up was Mississippi wanted to keep segregation, and ONCE AGAIN was fighting on the wrong side of history, unwilling to do self-reflection and self-improvement when the whole world could see how immoral and backwards it was. It's the same thing, over and over. You want to celebrate and keep slavery. You want to celebrate and keep segregation. You want to keep the poor poor and feel a tiny bit more power just because you're white, while giving the rich handful who run the state ultimate power over everybody (which they keep for themselves rather than benefit the people). It's always the same fight, Mississippi wanting to be the last stronghold of hatred, thumbing their nose publicly at the federal government and other states they take money from just to keep running.

It has nothing at all to do with Southern culture. It has to do with intentionally intimidating and offending people all over the nation, with being separatist and intentionally not wanting peace or to unify with the majority of the nation who finds that flag shocking and backwards, and not caring at all how anybody else feels but yourself. That flag is a symbol of Mississippi's hatred of the rest of our nation, especially your Northern brothers and sisters, and of your hatred for half of your own state who were enslaved and segregated, or would still be because they're not white, under that flag. You're not fooling anyone to call it "Southern heritage." It's the same as Germans flying a Nazi flag and claiming it's German heritage. Sure, it's a heritage of hatred and of violence, of treason and of wrongdoing. That part of history is something to be ashamed of, not something to fly over your entire state, yards, and all government buildings as if it's something you want everyone to remember as being the core of who you are. It is the mistake so many of our ancestors made in this country, which we must finally grow up and put right. You don't make a mistake and then keep making it over and over again for centuries because you're too proud to admit it was a mistake. The only reason people in other states keep looking down on states like Mississippi is because of the insistence on holding up a symbol of backwardness and old wrongs in public places all over the place. To others, it is treasonous, racist, backwards, and ignorant. If you don't want to be labeled ignorant, stop waving the banner of 150 years ago (and a banner that lost, at that) as if no one in the state has learned anything in a full 150 years.

This is not 1864. Take it down already. The Confederate cause was wrong, and if the South has successfully seceded, none of those states would have internet or any of the technology or luxuries people have access to today. It would be like a 3rd world country because industrialism was the wave of the future and the South did not have a prosperous economy outside of slavery.

If you really want to celebrate the South, what does that mean to you? If it's not war, stop using the Confederate battle flag. If it's not slavery, stop using the Confederate flag, which based its entire constitution on slavery. What is so great that you want to remember? Mint juleps and rocking on the porch? Then make a flag of those images. Stop using an image that has symbolized nothing but hate and treason and violence for over 150 years in a row.
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Old 06-23-2015, 09:42 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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I wish they would ban the flags everywhere. It's a slap in the face to blacks and to some of us whites who want the racism to stop, while others want to keep the hate alive by hiding behind some "southern heritage". Hornswaggle. Fly your redneck flag from the back of your 1980s pickup truck, go right ahead, it's not like nobody knows what you are already.
Kind of an interesting position there, Convex.

BAN a flag!? What are you thinking? Do you not realize (1) that the constitution will protect anyone flying any flag they wish (and the ACLU will back them up, too) and (2) BANNING a flag or a behavior or a position is the fastest way to promote it! There are oodles of people who find pleasure in displaying something you find abhorrent, and Ol Dixie will be their new pleasure.

Should we BAN T-Shirts with an X on it, too?

Nah. They can take it off the state capitol if they want, but no one is going to ban anything in this country. If it's OK to burn a US flag, it's OK to fly some other one.
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Old 06-23-2015, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Will there be a movement to stop radio stations from playing songs that celebrate the South?
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Old 06-23-2015, 09:48 AM
 
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Kind of an interesting position there, Convex.

BAN a flag!? What are you thinking? Do you not realize (1) that the constitution will protect anyone flying any flag they wish (and the ACLU will back them up, too) and (2) BANNING a flag or a behavior or a position is the fastest way to promote it! There are oodles of people who find pleasure in displaying something you find abhorrent, and Ol Dixie will be their new pleasure.

Should we BAN T-Shirts with an X on it, too?

Nah. They can take it off the state capitol if they want, but no one is going to ban anything in this country. If it's OK to burn a US flag, it's OK to fly some other one.
I meant on government property everywhere. Now I can't fix it

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Old 06-23-2015, 10:12 AM
 
Location: DFW - Coppell / Las Colinas
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Will there be a movement to stop radio stations from playing songs that celebrate the South?
Lynard Skynard will be #1 on their list of banned music.

Next be prepared for the Libs to come after Confederate memorials and Statues as being offensive.
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Old 06-23-2015, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Chattanooga, TN
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1) A flag is a simply piece of colored cloth. What's important is the symbol the flag represents. In this case it's not heritage or hate, it's a heritage of hate. Anyone who says otherwise is either willfully ignorant or lying. It may invoke memories of the General Lee (Bo and Luke Duke's Dodge Charger) and Lynyrd Skynrd concerts and north vs. south football rivalries to you, but thousands of Americans have living memories of relatives and friends killed by evil people represented by that symbol.

2) My Facebook feed is being swamped by pro-Dixie Flag posts from family and friends-of-family from a very rural and extremely conservative portion of Mississippi. A significant percentage either implying or even outright stating that all blacks are on welfare and should either shut up or pick one of the other 49 states. I.e., they are flaming racists trying to hide behind Bo and Luke Duke's good ol' boy rebellion against a corrupt government. As if this battle is only between welfare recipients and normal white folk. Kinda like this quote from earlier in the thread:
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Maybe we should make a deal with the people wanting it. We will take the flag down if you will start supporting yourselves. The discussion would stop immediately.
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You might want to think about biting the hands that feed you unless you are ready to start feeding yourselves.
3) There is no way to legally "ban" any symbol in this country with our constitution (specifically, the first amendment). As already mentioned, if it's legal to burn the US Flag it will always be legal to fly the Confederate Battle Flag. It wouldn't even be legal to ban flying it on government property. What's important is who flies the flag, and whether or not the flag adequately represents the modern state of Mississippi.

4) Personally, I believe the flag flown during Mississippi's actual time in the CSA both does a better job of representing Mississippi and wouldn't be as race-baiting. Anyone truly interested in heritage would love it because of its history during the CSA. Anyone who hates the Confederate Battle Flag would love it because it's not the Confederate Battle Flag. And everyone loves Magnolia trees.

"The Magnolia Flag"

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Old 06-23-2015, 12:02 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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I meant on government property everywhere. Now I can't fix it
Been through that one-way door myself a couple of times.

But I think you're right. This time it'll go and be gone (officially) for good.
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Old 06-23-2015, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Southeast Arizona
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Been through that one-way door myself a couple of times.

But I think you're right. This time it'll go and be gone (officially) for good.
How do you think the state will vote this time around?
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Old 06-23-2015, 01:30 PM
 
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I think they will vote the same as last time. The problem nobody votes in this state.
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