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Old 12-02-2017, 04:03 AM
 
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This is silly. Of course the 13 colonies were British. They had royal governors, and most people living in the colonies had ancestors of themselves were born in Wales, England and Scotland. At the end of the French and Indian War most colonists would have proudly proclaimed themselves as proud subjects of the King.

I've studied history, specifically this era of history. The American Revolution was a political fight that started in England. Loyalists were known as Tories which took the name of the political faction which is the forerunner to today's Conservative Party in Britain. The pro-war Americans called themselves Whigs, the name of the opposition political faction in Britain.

In fact, even the Sons of Liberty held the former Prime Minister of Great Britain William Pitt (the Elder) in high regard chanting Liberty and PITT forever. Even Pittsburgh is named after the former PM.

The American Revolution at its core is a political fight that started in Britain, manifest as political violence.

Now, having said that you also have to keep in mind that colonies were also populated by different ethnic groups who self-segregated themselves when they came to America. New England was by enlarge made up of the descendants of Puritans from East Anglia, England who had their own social mores. New York was more multicultural. Coastal Virginia was the homeland of descendants of 2nd sons of the English aristocracy (most Virginians in this area and into coastal NC) considered themselves as proper English, they saw Virginia as part and parcel of Great Britain and they demanded that they be regarded no less than the English aristocracy. The inland south was made up of what we know as the Scots-Irish, or Scottish lowland Presbyterians who didn't love nor hate the Crown, they just wanted to be left to their own devices and way of life. Of course someone is going to say oh what about the Germans or the Swiss or the Africans? Yes but they did not set the tone of the cultural standards for their region.

Most of the colonies hated one another. Britain really mucked about when Tory leader Lord North became PM and who hammered down on New England for its defiance of laws passed by Parliament. Other colonies only got involved when they became concerned that this would affect them in one way or another. Plus in areas like Virginia, people only sided with the Whigs in many cases because they thought if I cannot be thought of as the equal of a Lord in south-west England, I'd rather go it alone.

There were Americans after the war who wanted a King in the United States and they wanted hereditary title. Think about something like the Duke of the Ohio River Valley or Earl of the Shenandoah.

Also another fact not well known, an emissary from the Crown did offer the colonies seats in the House of Commons in 1777. Problem is they offered this 1 year after the Declaration.
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Old 12-02-2017, 01:42 PM
 
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A colony is really nothing more than a glorified territory. They still adhere to the mother country's laws and customs, and the people therein are subjects to the throne and Empire of the mother country.

Our founding fathers were rightful British subjects. They turned their backs against their country. They were traitors.

The founders of the Republic of Texas were Mexican citizens west of the Sabine River. They were rightfully Mexicans. They rebelled and committed treason. They were traitor too.

But the Confederates? Nah, nope, they's just traitors, tunnel vision on them, can't deviate from the narrative with pesky facts.
How many British Prime Ministers of the colonial era were from America?
Most pre-Civil War US presidents were Southerners, they were fully represented in the House and Senate, and at the time of secession the Supreme Court had a Southern majority.
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Old 12-02-2017, 01:50 PM
 
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Dude, YES, it is. It's the same thing. Then you say this:


Is it treason or it is not? You're saying it's not treason, yet we should have punished Confederates as if they are traitors?

That makes as much sense as the nonsense going on in the NFL right now.
Wht nonsense, peaceful protests against social injustice? The Condererates were not engaged in peaceful protests.
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Old 12-02-2017, 02:23 PM
 
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The American slogan was "no taxation without representation". The UK had a represenrive parliament, but the American colonies were not represented in it. In other words, our chief grievance was being taxed by the UK without having had been fully integrated into the UK.
The South cannot make that claim.
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Old 12-02-2017, 03:56 PM
 
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The American slogan was "no taxation without representation". The UK had a represenrive parliament, but the American colonies were not represented in it. In other words, our chief grievance was being taxed by the UK without having had been fully integrated into the UK.
The South cannot make that claim.
what they said.
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