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Old 03-20-2010, 01:07 AM
 
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Native americans died of "common disease?" Yeah, they died of diseases that were common IN EUROUPE, half a world away. Then "settlers" discovered they had no immunity to these diseases and went so far as to provide them blankets and animals that were infested with these diseases KNOWING the end result. Thus we practiced "germ warfare" against a native peoples in the name of yes... God. Your God, not mine. Not the god (with a little G) mentioned so many times by our patriots.

You seem to have a lot to say but little understanding of the facts behind your imaginary past. You think the civil war was about "state's rights?" OH YEAH - it was about "state's rights" to keep SLAVES. You think this makes me an apologist? I guess I'm in good company then, because the president of the freakin' Confederacy (you know who that was, right? And where he was from?) stood up in the senate and stated quite clearly this war was to be about slavery and, in his opinion, the biblical justification of keeping these lesser beings as slaves.

You think you have the moral high ground? Moderator cut: language -
the kind of morality you are defending is no morality that can be tolerated in a free society. The morality you are defending is the morality of hatred, murder, lies and deception. The morality you are defending is in no way the morality of this Christ you seem to think you hold in your breast pocket.

The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.

--John Adams, second President to the United States.



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Old 03-20-2010, 10:23 AM
 
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even if it's not it's their choice to hold those ideals as long as the state feels it's OK. Stop spreading the hate.
You really need to take some classes that would give you a better understanding of the American way. To say "as long as the state thinks it is ok" is giving the state way too much power. The "state" is subject to the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Supreme Court. The state can get it way wrong(as it has in the past). Look up the definition of Fascism. Then please--take some American government classes.
 
Old 03-20-2010, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Southeast Arizona
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OK I just had to come in here for this, regarding the Prom, yes it is unfortunate, but if you really thought about it, the situation could have got worse if some of the parents found out if they decided not to tell there are so many different ways they could have handled this if they thought it through. But bringing in the ever so BS'd ACLU into the fray doesn't give them much sympathy in my book, the ACLU is nothing more than media hounds and money grubbers and seedy lawyers looking for attention.


I'm just pointing out your arguement has flaws, you oversimplify too much, and I'll agree that John Adams was a great man, but he has opinions of his own and I'll leave them to him.[/color]

And have a nice day.

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Old 03-20-2010, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Lake Oswego, Manhattan, Aspen
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Every time something like this comes up, a few more of Mississippi's movers and shakers and job makers move away. After the anti-gay-marriage thing passed, by the highest percentage of any state, several young couples we knew decided not to move back after gradschool. It's not as if they really cared about Gay Marriage. But smart people see things like that as indicia of changes in quality of life. These little collective moralistic tantrums encourage our best and brightest to see Mississippians as crazy, stupid, hateful, and evil.

Back in the sixties, the Ole Miss Riots and the Bombing of the Synagogue were events that convinced the younger members of the state's best families that this was not a place with a future. Now, the state has only a handful of Synagogues, and its Scottish Aristocracy are now largely absentee landholders. I think this absurd overreaction to two girls going to their prom together will help a few more of our best and brightest decide that there are better places to live than Mississippi.

And the real pity is that this is a vicious cycle. Events like this accelerate Mississippi's Brain Drain. That means that the state's collective IQ keeps dropping. And the dumber the state becomes, the more idiotic the behavior of Mississippi's people becomes.

Remember when that politician proposed a law for the castration of Sex Offenders? Only a state full of idiots would approve of something so draconian/medieval/extreme. But there was enormous support for it. I lost two valued gay employees right after that, who moved to LA and Seattle. Until Mississippi's antiquated Sodomy law was struck down by the court, any gay sex, even private and consensual, could have gotten them labeled as 'Sex Offenders'. And I would add that things most Bible-believing heterosexual married couples do in the privacy of their marriage beds were also against those same Sodomy laws. But Mississippians, now, are too dumb to figure that they were supporting a law that could conceivably get themselves or their husbands neutered.

I just recently discovered that Mississippi's average IQ is the lowest of all 50 states. California's trying real hard to catch up, but with little incidents like this helping persuade our smartest kids to start their lives elsewhere, I'm confident that Mississippi will retain the distinction.
 
Old 03-20-2010, 09:46 PM
 
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Every time something like this comes up, a few more of Mississippi's movers and shakers and job makers move away. After the anti-gay-marriage thing passed, by the highest percentage of any state, several young couples we knew decided not to move back after gradschool. It's not as if they really cared about Gay Marriage. But smart people see things like that as indicia of changes in quality of life. These little collective moralistic tantrums encourage our best and brightest to see Mississippians as crazy, stupid, hateful, and evil.

Back in the sixties, the Ole Miss Riots and the Bombing of the Synagogue were events that convinced the younger members of the state's best families that this was not a place with a future. Now, the state has only a handful of Synagogues, and its Scottish Aristocracy are now largely absentee landholders. I think this absurd overreaction to two girls going to their prom together will help a few more of our best and brightest decide that there are better places to live than Mississippi.

And the real pity is that this is a vicious cycle. Events like this accelerate Mississippi's Brain Drain. That means that the state's collective IQ keeps dropping. And the dumber the state becomes, the more idiotic the behavior of Mississippi's people becomes.

Remember when that politician proposed a law for the castration of Sex Offenders? Only a state full of idiots would approve of something so draconian/medieval/extreme. But there was enormous support for it. I lost two valued gay employees right after that, who moved to LA and Seattle. Until Mississippi's antiquated Sodomy law was struck down by the court, any gay sex, even private and consensual, could have gotten them labeled as 'Sex Offenders'. And I would add that things most Bible-believing heterosexual married couples do in the privacy of their marriage beds were also against those same Sodomy laws. But Mississippians, now, are too dumb to figure that they were supporting a law that could conceivably get themselves or their husbands neutered.

I just recently discovered that Mississippi's average IQ is the lowest of all 50 states. California's trying real hard to catch up, but with little incidents like this helping persuade our smartest kids to start their lives elsewhere, I'm confident that Mississippi will retain the distinction.
Maybe all the people who want "gay" marriage will leave Mississippi and move to Oregon. This would greatly improve Mississippi and make Oregon a state of more "smarter" people.Oregon is a great place for these folks because there very few churches in Oregon so they will fit right in.
In Oregon one can drive for miles and miles and never see a church house.
I'm sure that Oregon is paradise and all the people there are "enlightened". Mississippi is just full of "dumb people" as you stated in your posting who are Bible believing folks. The people of Mississippi deserve self rule by their elected representatives and do not need to be told what to do and how to live by outsiders such as the ACLU.[States Rights]
The people of Oregon are so smart they cannot even pump gasoline into their own personal vehicles.

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Old 03-20-2010, 11:07 PM
 
Location: WA
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Well, I know I'll never be visiting Mississippi. I doubt tourism is big down there with this type of retarded behavior anyway.

Rice, Oregon is indeed a paradise of forward-thinking people who prefer to get to know people based on their personalities and similar interests, as opposed to their sexual orientation, religious views, or how they look. Minnesota is indeed the same way.

Please don't be so selfish to let the more-accepting, new generation grow old with your uneducated, opinion-based ideals.

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Old 03-21-2010, 06:09 AM
 
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Well, I know I'll never be visiting Mississippi. I doubt tourism is big down there with this type of retarded behavior anyway.

Rice, Oregon is indeed a paradise of forward-thinking people who prefer to get to know people based on their personalities and similar interests, as opposed to their sexual orientation, religious views, or how they look. Minnesota is indeed the same way.

Please don't be so selfish to let the more-accepting, new generation grow old with your uneducated, opinion-based ideals.
We know how smart and forward thinking the people of Minnesota are because they sent Al Franken to the U.S.Senate.We don't need your type to visit Mississippi and bring your corrupt way of thinking with you.
Oregon is a socialist state that needs to keep its ideas and stupid laws in Oregon.
You don't even know how much formal education that I have and you call my ideas uneducated because they don't agree with yours.You really are open minded aren't you?
Accusing the people of Mississippi of "retarded" behavior because you don't agree with their way of life is really open minded.As far as tourism goes, you ever heard of Tunica or Ocean Springs?
It is quite apparent from your own words that you are only tolerant of people who agree with you and live like you do.

http://www.gulfcoast.org/visitors/at...or-activities/

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Old 03-21-2010, 08:55 AM
 
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Well, I know I'll never be visiting Mississippi. I doubt tourism is big down there with this type of retarded behavior anyway.

Rice, Oregon is indeed a paradise of forward-thinking people who prefer to get to know people based on their personalities and similar interests, as opposed to their sexual orientation, religious views, or how they look. Minnesota is indeed the same way.

Please don't be so selfish to let the more-accepting, new generation grow old with your uneducated, opinion-based ideals.

Your comments show how close minded and inept you are. Stay in Minnesota with Al Franken, and go on your summer vacations in Oregon, such slanted remarks towards all Mississippians is not only ignorant, it's offensive
 
Old 03-21-2010, 01:24 PM
 
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Well, I know I'll never be visiting Mississippi. I doubt tourism is big down there with this type of retarded behavior anyway
Did you take note of all the people in this forum who are outraged by the decision? There are plenty of people in Mississippi who want to see the state move forward. We've come a long way. If you visit the campus of the University of Mississippi, you'll see the diversity that it is famous for. If you talk with folks in the City of Oxford, you'll find many open-minded, tolerant, educated, and intelligent people. The same is true in many of our cities.

Unfortunately, we have more than a few people who refuse to change, instead clinging to antiquated views on race, religion, and sexuality. They hide behind religion as an excuse for intolerance forgetting that the same Jesus they claim to worship and adore never once treated anyone with intolerance. Remember the story of the woman at the well? She was a prostitute. Remember the story of the woman accused of adultery? When Jesus was asked what should be done with her, he replied "let him who is without sin cast the first stone". I don't think homosexuality is a sin. I just don't. However, even if I did believe it was, I wouldn't hide behind the Bible and use it as justification for hate when Jesus himself was so very clear about how He felt about folks being hypocritical and/or judgmental.

salad, there are some wonderful areas of Mississippi. Mississippi has an abundance of outdoor activities. Once our coast is rebuilt, it will again be a beautiful place to visit. The Natchez Trace is a great way to explore history while enjoying the beauty of the southeast. Tupelo Mississippi is the birthplace of Elvis Presley. The Delta is the home of the Blues. If you head to Oxford, you can visit Faulkner's home. You can stroll through the Grove. And you you will find southern hospitality at every turn.

Don't let the close minded, right wing, religious zealots turn you off the entire state. Remember...their anger is nothing buy fear in disguise.
 
Old 03-21-2010, 05:29 PM
 
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Did you take note of all the people in this forum who are outraged by the decision? There are plenty of people in Mississippi who want to see the state move forward. We've come a long way. If you visit the campus of the University of Mississippi, you'll see the diversity that it is famous for. If you talk with folks in the City of Oxford, you'll find many open-minded, tolerant, educated, and intelligent people. The same is true in many of our cities.

Unfortunately, we have more than a few people who refuse to change, instead clinging to antiquated views on race, religion, and sexuality. They hide behind religion as an excuse for intolerance forgetting that the same Jesus they claim to worship and adore never once treated anyone with intolerance. Remember the story of the woman at the well? She was a prostitute. Remember the story of the woman accused of adultery? When Jesus was asked what should be done with her, he replied "let him who is without sin cast the first stone". I don't think homosexuality is a sin. I just don't. However, even if I did believe it was, I wouldn't hide behind the Bible and use it as justification for hate when Jesus himself was so very clear about how He felt about folks being hypocritical and/or judgmental.

salad, there are some wonderful areas of Mississippi. Mississippi has an abundance of outdoor activities. Once our coast is rebuilt, it will again be a beautiful place to visit. The Natchez Trace is a great way to explore history while enjoying the beauty of the southeast. Tupelo Mississippi is the birthplace of Elvis Presley. The Delta is the home of the Blues. If you head to Oxford, you can visit Faulkner's home. You can stroll through the Grove. And you you will find southern hospitality at every turn.

Don't let the close minded, right wing, religious zealots turn you off the entire state. Remember...their anger is nothing buy fear in disguise.
This posting is very typical of liberals who resort to name calling when someone does not agree with their position. It is not hate to oppose the open practice of homosexuality when one believes it against God's teaching and intention for His creation.
What homosexuals do in their bedroom is their business but it is wrong to attempt to publicly force it on the masses who do not believe in it or practice it.
And if you really did sincerely read and study the Bible you would find out that homosexuality is a sin in both the Old and New Testaments.But your owns words in this posting state that you are not really interested in finding the truth because you are fixed on the position that homosexuality is not a sin.
It is NOT HATE to take a stand for the truth and the Bible is the only standard of truth.
After all, the religious people and the masses falsely accused Jesus during His trial before His Passover sacrifice as the Passover Lamb who takes away the sins of the world.
We people who stand on Biblical principles are called every name in the book["closed minded,right wing,religious zealots] by people like you who so we are in very good Company.
Jesus reminded us that the world hated Him before it hated us.
May God Bless you and have a very nice day.
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