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Old 09-18-2011, 10:06 AM
 
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Even down here, this hit the news.

Missoula, Mont. A particleboard and laminating plant in Missoula plans to lay off about 20 employees within the next month. Roseburg Forest Products marketing director Mark McLean tells the Missoulian the layoffs will leave about 130 people working at the Missoula plant.

He says demand for Roseburg's laminated boards have dropped dramatically in the past several years and the company is only at about 40% capacity.


It makes you wonder. Down here, this summer, carpenters and contractors were screaming that they couldn't get material, that was the reason they couldn't build what demand called for. Lack of materials. Yet material plants are slowing down because nobody is buying product. What is going on? Where is the dead spot in communication?

When I owned my business building Post Frame, Steel buildings, I went to Whitewood South Dakota and purchased all of my posts. Laminated. A 6x6 Osmos Treated post has 475 ft lbs of extreme stress in fiber bending. A laminated post had over 1500 lbs of extreme stress in fiber bending. You can see how that would improve a building. However, the post laminating plant in Whitewood is now defunct also.
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Old 09-18-2011, 10:43 AM
 
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Default Manufacturing and costs

This may be another supply cost issue an an actual supply issue. There are plenty of wood products out there but the cost of production, I'm assuming, in Missoula is much higher an other locations such as Oklahoma or Louisiana. It does not surprise me that a location in Missoula is ramping down. The city council continues to choke off any growth or manufacturing sectors that aren't related to UM or selling real estate to out of staters. This is but it isn't like they are shutting down a Lowe's or Home Depot. You can still get Chinese building products though.
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Old 09-18-2011, 01:17 PM
 
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This may be another supply cost issue an an actual supply issue. There are plenty of wood products out there but the cost of production, I'm assuming, in Missoula is much higher an other locations such as Oklahoma or Louisiana. It does not surprise me that a location in Missoula is ramping down. The city council continues to choke off any growth or manufacturing sectors that aren't related to UM or selling real estate to out of staters. This is but it isn't like they are shutting down a Lowe's or Home Depot. You can still get Chinese building products though.
The unfortunate part is that people don't really understand numbers. Laying off 20 Missoula workers out of "ONE" plant, is like Detroit laying off 5000 workers. It reflects all the way around. Less office supplies needed, so there's another business that is loosing revenue, less cleaning supplies, less goods bought for manufacturing, etc. All said and done, 20 people out of that plant of 150 people, is really going to effect some 40-50 families, if not more. And people don't even look at that, they just look at "Hey, it's only 20 people."

It wasn't that long ago that I bought what I needed when I needed it. The last few years, I pay attention and unless it says that it was made in the old USA, well, I guess I don't need it. Unfortunately, you can't go 100% with American products because there are so many things that USA stopped making because they can't compete.
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Old 09-18-2011, 04:31 PM
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Since I have no expertise in this area, I Googled "particle board manufacturers". The results listed one page of only four manufacturers in the United States. In contrast, there were 14 pages and 198 separate companies in China. .....and it isn't just China. Other countries with manufacturers included: India, Belgium, Lithuania, Russia, Malaysia, Spain, Bangladesh, Thailand, United Kingdom, Australia, .....and on and on.

So I suspect that with excessive government regulation, EPA restrictions, preferential tariff rates for foreign manufactures, etc. it may be another case of "we have met the enemy, and he is us". I wish we could refrain from lofty speeches and another mirage of an "American Jobs Act", and just focus on allowing 20 workers in Missoula a fair chance to compete.
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Old 09-18-2011, 09:30 PM
 
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There are a large number of particle board plants in U.S. Roseburg Forest Products alone, has 4 or more plants in the U.S. including the small one in Missoula.

Some plants work with recycled lumber, that has been chipped. Others make it from waste from lumber mills, byproducts from cutting logs into lumber. They are starting to make it out of cotton stalks that have been chipped, as a source that is not effected by construction.

To understand changes in number of workers needed in particle board plants, you have to consider what particle board is.

Particle board is mostly made from chips and shavings, which are by products of lumber mills. In some plants when lumber prices are down, the byproducts such as wood chips from the planers are their profit from cutting lumber.

One Reason for cutting back production in these plants. The amount of lumber being cut in the U.S. is way down from the peak due to the decline in the housing market. Reduce the amount of lumber handled by mills that do not close down, and you reduce the amount of by products that are sold to particle board plants. This is forcing slow down in particle board plants.

Second Reason. Due to environmentalists putting pressure to stop cutting timber, there is less lumber being cut. In North West U.S. this industry which formerly was the big industry, is almost extinct. We are getting a big part of our construction lumber from Canada, instead of the U.S. due to the mills being forced out of business by the environmentalists.

It all comes down to, there is not enough by product from lumber mills to keep all the particle board plants going with full staffs.
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Old 09-21-2011, 07:57 AM
 
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There are a large number of particle board plants in U.S. Roseburg Forest Products alone, has 4 or more plants in the U.S. including the small one in Missoula.

Some plants work with recycled lumber, that has been chipped. Others make it from waste from lumber mills, byproducts from cutting logs into lumber. They are starting to make it out of cotton stalks that have been chipped, as a source that is not effected by construction.

To understand changes in number of workers needed in particle board plants, you have to consider what particle board is.

Particle board is mostly made from chips and shavings, which are by products of lumber mills. In some plants when lumber prices are down, the byproducts such as wood chips from the planers are their profit from cutting lumber.

One Reason for cutting back production in these plants. The amount of lumber being cut in the U.S. is way down from the peak due to the decline in the housing market. Reduce the amount of lumber handled by mills that do not close down, and you reduce the amount of by products that are sold to particle board plants. This is forcing slow down in particle board plants.

Second Reason. Due to environmentalists putting pressure to stop cutting timber, there is less lumber being cut. In North West U.S. this industry which formerly was the big industry, is almost extinct. We are getting a big part of our construction lumber from Canada, instead of the U.S. due to the mills being forced out of business by the environmentalists.

It all comes down to, there is not enough by product from lumber mills to keep all the particle board plants going with full staffs.
Thanks. Typical, the article didn't go into supply chain, it only mentioned that the plant was operating at 40% due to demand. But we all know how news articles convieniently leave out details so they can sensationalize what little they do have to put out.

One thing I did want to mention concerning foreign trade of products. I am currently on crutches with a cast on my right leg. I took a look at the tag on the crutches that the Veterans Administration gave me. "Make in China".
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Old 12-21-2011, 07:22 AM
 
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Roseburg has plenty of options outside of Missoula to manufacturer. Why stay here with the "dirty smoke stack" culture? What would be done to convince them to stay vs. leave?

Finally someone came to Missoula with Economic Development history and a proven record and 6 months later he is run out of town for "having a vision that did not fit." That vision being one that actually brings viable industry to the area creating substantial jobs and pay very much needed. Poverty with a view is here to stay for a long time to come until local leadership gets a whole cell change-over.
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