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Old 04-13-2011, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Tennessee Delta
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I guess I find it amusing that all the wing nuts fell deathly quiet with the no smoking votes that just passed in Springfield and O'Fallon. I am also very glad I quit in January after smoking for near 30 years - or I might be very disturbed about these out of state not for profits spending thousands to get Missourians to vote against something that was a nasty habit, but a protected "right" just a few years ago. I guess government can't tell me how to raise baby dogs, or how to carry a gun, but they can tell me if I own a smoking bar or cigar club, that I can not allow anyone to smoke inside my club anymore?? In less than two months, you can't in Springfield anymore.

Did I suddenly wake up and find myself in California??
That's why I'm glad to be over by Cape Girardeau. They voted the smoking ban down (I think they were the only city in Missouri to do so this year). I've never smoked a cigarette but I strongly oppose the idea that the government can come into a privately owned establishment (On which the owner pays taxes in addition to having to buy or rent the building) and tell the owner what he can and can't allow. If the majority of the people want smoke free establishments then they should choose to patronize those establishments that are smoke free.

I have no problem if a business owner doesn't want to allow something in their establishment, but if it's the government then that's another story.
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Old 04-14-2011, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Volker, Kansas City, MO
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^I am 100% on the side of the business owners in the smoking ban fight, but at least Springfield (and Cape) voters got to actually vote on the issue. Columbia, KC and Illinois all passed theirs in the city council or (in the case of Illinois) legislature.
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Old 04-14-2011, 09:19 AM
 
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I guess I find it amusing that all the wing nuts fell deathly quiet with the no smoking votes that just passed in Springfield and O'Fallon. I am also very glad I quit in January after smoking for near 30 years - or I might be very disturbed about these out of state not for profits spending thousands to get Missourians to vote against something that was a nasty habit, but a protected "right" just a few years ago. I guess government can't tell me how to raise baby dogs, or how to carry a gun, but they can tell me if I own a smoking bar or cigar club, that I can not allow anyone to smoke inside my club anymore?? In less than two months, you can't in Springfield anymore.

Did I suddenly wake up and find myself in California??
If Springfield and O'Fallon voters had just rejected a measure that banned smoking indoors, and THEN their city council's passed the measure anyway - then you might have a point. But even comparing indoor smoking bans and puppy mills is ridiculous in its own right. Then again you called the opposition "wing nuts" in your first sentence so you clearly don't have much ground to stand on to begin with.
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Old 04-14-2011, 11:21 AM
 
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^Ooops I misread Dave's post. My apologies.
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