I have a question .. (California, Meta: crime, how much, home)

[2beamissourian]

Some of you on here came from California.. some of you may have seen gangs and such in your home etc...

where I live now we have "safe schools" where children who get into trouble go ...
My child can not wear certain clothing to school ... if it reflects any part of a gang .(not that she would) ... ICP cant be worn .. its gang related (I don't understand this one but ah such is life) ... I think its Shasta soda stuff can not be drank or wore etc to school ........... no bandannas no chains hanging out of the pockets .........

After reading the story of the rampage coming out of that school .. I just wonder why is the lack of control there? Does the same idiots who get away with this at school cont. to do so in the adult years?

Now what happens in Cali when they come to school ........do they have "social freedom"

And does Missouri have issues such as these and how does the schools address it?

[Veiled Prophet]

What is ICP?

[bentaxlecrew]

Thats a good question. My brothers have been kicked out of every school in Fontana.
Not for gang related issues or fighting. They have no self control when it comes to goofing off and school was not important to them. They would ditch or walk out of class. When they refused to go to school my mom would call the police on them herself because she was at her wits end. The school threatened her because of thier attendance. It was a nightmare. They have a continuation school for troubled kids. They only had to go half day. My brothers ended up there and eventually dropped out. No one even bothered to follow up on them. That was 10 years or so ago. Now of course they regret all of it. I would like to say its starts at home with the parents and to an extent it does. My real dad was out of the picture. He was a bad example. My mom tried everything she could to keep them on track but to no avail. ( is that the right word). Teachers and counselors have to many students here to deal with so I guess theres no real help for the lost. Moms need the help big time for out of control kids. Sad thing is my youngest brother wanted so bad to get into the Military and they would not let him because he had no diploma. If only they would have let him I believe he would have never gotten into drugs or any of the troubles he faces now. I believe the Military shoud take troubled kids. It just might give them an about face.

[2beamissourian]

years ago they use to ...



I just dont get it .. yes it starts at home but sometimes kids get out of hand before parents know it ...... hey folks it starts as young as 1 and 2 yep yep!! and people call me a babysitter NOT .. (too much training/education to come to their home and watch there tv)

I just seen those mobs of kids running wild and I dont get it ........I guarantee if my kid was one I would be the mom walking in the streets dragging him home by his ears!


If we ever make it to Mo.... ya will have to ask him about ditching school and going to the farm animal auction.... yep I ditched work and dragged his butt back to school .. and stood outside each class and walked him to class holding his smart -------------- hand!

[bentaxlecrew]

Thats awesome! My kids so far love school! Its easy right now. My boy even loves to do his homework! Course he's only 5. I heard about 50% of Mo students make the gate program. So Cal only 2%. Sad.

[Ozark Nana]

We have the gang problems here in Tucson as well. Not nearly as bad as Cali, but we're getting close (that's NOT bragging). It's a shame that most children that join gangs do so for the "acceptance" because they are not getting that love at home. Sure, it has to do with the alcohol and drug issues as well, but when you talk to some of these kids they just need to know that they are "worth" something.

We deal with many, many young people that are court ordered to do Community Service hours as part of their punishment. It's amazing how much these kids lose the chip on their shoulder when taken seriously, spoken to in an accepting way and just given a chance. Our organization takes pride in the fact that yes, we know they were ORDERED to be with us, but we can actually teach them some skills that will be helpful to them in the real world. One of the biggest skills is social. For a few days they are pretty tough to deal with, but many of them actually leave us with skills that they never had. Some have gone on to use those skills to obtain a job, or to come back to actually volunteer to work with us! To have a young person THANK you for listening to them, for treating them and speaking to them like they "matter" is a feeling that cannot be described.

This handful is far from the number that we do get from the court, but it's a start....

Sorry, don't know why I got off on that tangent....but that happens sometimes with me!

O.Nana

[2beamissourian]

Originally Posted by Veiled Prophet

What is ICP?

ICP .. is something something possy or something like that

its a band ... the kids wear the tshirts and dress all in black with the chains out of the pockets .....

I forget the names of the others ..theres one that like to cut themselve and cry they cut themselves ...... I cant remember all of it sounds pretty stupid and my kids would get the tar put out of them for it!

[2beamissourian]

yep .. O Nana that is why I do childcare .... ya know how many young people dont know what the inside of there home looks like ........ or have a parent that tells them they are wonderful ... let alone a hug .... I have one little one here ...that tells his parents I love ms d.......she tells me good things and hugs me .......... that is worth every dime I make and dont make!

[Boof]

Originally Posted by 2beamissourian

Some of you on here came from California.. some of you may have seen gangs and such in your home etc...

where I live now we have "safe schools" where children who get into trouble go ...
My child can not wear certain clothing to school ... if it reflects any part of a gang .(not that she would) ... ICP cant be worn .. its gang related (I don't understand this one but ah such is life) ... I think its Shasta soda stuff can not be drank or wore etc to school ........... no bandannas no chains hanging out of the pockets .........

After reading the story of the rampage coming out of that school .. I just wonder why is the lack of control there? Does the same idiots who get away with this at school cont. to do so in the adult years?

Now what happens in Cali when they come to school ........do they have "social freedom"

And does Missouri have issues such as these and how does the schools address it?

2B,

Not having any kids of my own, my knowledge of the 'inner workings' of the CA school system is very limited. What I do know, is that they have Police 'sub-stations' in most of the schools...even some of the Elementary & Middle schools. They also had Metal Detectors the students had to walk through before going onto the campus. Drugs & Gangs were at epidemic proportions, and Crime affected everyone!!!

Because of this, the schools started adopting 'Dress Codes' to get rid of the gang related garb and paraphernalia, as well as getting the young girls to quit dressing like hookers. It was their hope that by making the kids dress in a more appropriate manner, that maybe their behavior would follow suit. That remains to be seen.

It's very sad.....kids shouldn't have to struggle for survival in school. It's difficult enough just bein' a kid....they shouldn't have to worry about some 'banger' deciding to demand 'respect' from them.

Originally Posted by 2beamissourian

years ago they use to ...

I just dont get it .. yes it starts at home but sometimes kids get out of hand before parents know it ...... hey folks it starts as young as 1 and 2 yep yep!! and people call me a babysitter NOT .. (too much training/education to come to their home and watch there tv)

I just seen those mobs of kids running wild and I dont get it ........I guarantee if my kid was one I would be the mom walking in the streets dragging him home by his ears!

If we ever make it to Mo.... ya will have to ask him about ditching school and going to the farm animal auction.... yep I ditched work and dragged his butt back to school .. and stood outside each class and walked him to class holding his smart -------------- hand!

You are sooooo right!!! It does start at home. And I believe the responsibility lies on the parent 100%. It's not easy raising a child, but that's the deal they made when then had them. But it doesn't help that the authority to dicipline has been taken out of the school's hands. Heck, even the parents are walking a fine line....thanks to these advocates that think children shouldn't be punished.

Like you though, my mom did the same thing with my brother when he was in 9th. He wasn't getting into trouble or hurting people (this is in the 60s), he just didn't want to go to school. So, my mother took a week off work and went to every class with my brother. She sat in the back of the room and let him feel the heat. Although none of the students knew who she was. They just thought she was with the school district. Well, he tried the same thing in his Senior year, soooooo, she took another week off and went to school with him again. She told him that he was going to get his diploma if it killed her.....or if she killed him....whichever came first. (You know the saying...I brought you into this world, and I can take you OUT!!!). She came close a few times. LOL

Needless to say....as a younger sibling, I was learning the ways of life through him, and decided that his was a direction I didn't want to follow. That's when I realized how smart it is to learn from other peoples' mistakes.

Because of that....I'm glad I didn't have kids. But for those of you brave enough to have done so.....I wish you luck, wisdom, and a whooooole lot of patience & strength.

Kidless in MO,
Boof

[jdslady]

We deal with alot of "juvenile delinquents" and alot of it comes from the atmosphere at home. I also think alot of it has to do with the fact that usually both parents have to work to make a living and the home structure is not like it was when we were growing up. Most kids nowadays are "latch key kids", come home to an empty house. The family values we grew up with are just not there anymore. It's really a shame.