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Old 02-09-2014, 01:06 AM
 
Location: Pocatello, ID
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I would like to say that it has been almost year since this thread as been started, so I would like to say happy anniversary to the Missouri/Southern border debate. This along with another Missouri/southern debate thread that was created seemed to have the most views/replies as well as chatterbox and Missouri joke thread. I have to say if this is going so long, why don't we have a professional/professor do research to determine where the southern point of the state is? If someone from University of Missouri is reading this, please put an end to the long discussion and actually go out and do scientific research on it. Thank you.
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Old 02-09-2014, 10:29 AM
 
Location: MO
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I would like to say that it has been almost year since this thread as been started, so I would like to say happy anniversary to the Missouri/Southern border debate. This along with another Missouri/southern debate thread that was created seemed to have the most views/replies as well as chatterbox and Missouri joke thread. I have to say if this is going so long, why don't we have a professional/professor do research to determine where the southern point of the state is? If someone from University of Missouri is reading this, please put an end to the long discussion and actually go out and do scientific research on it. Thank you.
That would be interesting, but when they were done there would still be people that would disagree with the line. (And justifiably so since their resources would be limited & smaller communities located near larger ones would probably be ignored and lumped in with the larger community)
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Old 02-09-2014, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Pocatello, ID
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That would be interesting, but when they were done there would still be people that would disagree with the line. (And justifiably so since their resources would be limited & smaller communities located near larger ones would probably be ignored and lumped in with the larger community)
it would be even more interesting if there was a documentary of it. :-)
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Old 02-09-2014, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Branson, Missouri
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it would be even more interesting if there was a documentary of it. :-)
I would be in hog heaven if this ever happened!! It would be amazing if there were more in depth studies done on particular dialects of Missouri as there are four main dialects....standard Midwestern, southern, St. Louis and the ozarks. There are very few states that have this kind of dialect range.
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Old 02-09-2014, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Has "Little Dixie", which is mid-to-upper-mid Missouri, been brought up in this discussion?

When I was at the Missouri Capitol last summer, I realized most of the slavery, plantations, etc. were along the Missouri River, which is further north than the half way line between north and south in the western part of the state and about equal with it in the eastern part of the state. I also toured a historic home on a former plantation and met people with Southern sympathies last summer in Lexington.
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Old 02-11-2014, 01:35 AM
 
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…I also toured a historic home on a former plantation and met people with Southern sympathies last summer in Lexington.


That's an interesting observation. Last year on the Kansas City thread a few people were poking fun at Lexington (in Lafayette County) as being "the most redneck (i.e., southern) places in the Kansas City area." Believe me, it's not their imagination. This area of Missouri, even though it lies far north near Kansas City, actually has a lingering southern history. It’s an outlier that throws the curve in everything you think you know about Missouri. Here’s why:

If you've read any Missouri history, you'll know that after the Civil War Lexington became the unofficial capitol of the Missouri Confederacy. Thousands of Confederate Army veterans and their families poured into Lexington, where they continued to drill, resisted Reconstruction, and waited for the “south to rise again.” Gen. Jo Shelby, the only Confederate officer who never surrendered, lived nearby in Waverly, MO. They were waiting on Gen. Shelby to “give them the word.” They were ready to start fighting the Civil War again. --On one occasion they even came very close to reigniting the war.

Many of the people in Lexington, MO, and the surrounding area today are the great-great-great grandchildren of these hardcore Missouri Confederate Army veterans. They were all pro-southern loyalists, and I’m sure they’re “southern heritage” has been passed down along with their DNA. It lives on today on Kansas City’s back doorstep. Only today we refer to them as "rednecks" rather than southerns.

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Old 02-11-2014, 02:18 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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^Interesting.

I don't know if it's true, but I heard Liberty, MO was a confederate stronghold as far as sympathy goes. I heard that city refused to fly the American flag at its city hall until WWI.

There's definitely some strong redneck culture in many towns in Missouri, including north of the river, places like Richmond, Excelsior Springs, Harrisonville, Lawson, Holt, Lathrop, Plattsburg, and even St. Joseph. I tend to wonder more about what places in Missouri *aren't* like that. I almost think Missouri, outside of the 2 big cities, might just have a stronger Southern influence overall than many are willing to admit, or maybe they're just not aware of it (city people unfamiliar with rural areas and small towns).

But about Lexington, I know it has a certain flavor to it, but I do think it's a tame, clean, safe, and civilized town, especially compared to the nearby towns of Richmond or Excelsior Springs. There doesn't seem to be a trouble making, white trash problem in Lexington, for example.
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Old 02-11-2014, 11:37 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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^Interesting.

I don't know if it's true, but I heard Liberty, MO was a confederate stronghold as far as sympathy goes. I heard that city refused to fly the American flag at its city hall until WWI.

There's definitely some strong redneck culture in many towns in Missouri, including north of the river, places like Richmond, Excelsior Springs, Harrisonville, Lawson, Holt, Lathrop, Plattsburg, and even St. Joseph. I tend to wonder more about what places in Missouri *aren't* like that. I almost think Missouri, outside of the 2 big cities, might just have a stronger Southern influence overall than many are willing to admit, or maybe they're just not aware of it (city people unfamiliar with rural areas and small towns).

But about Lexington, I know it has a certain flavor to it, but I do think it's a tame, clean, safe, and civilized town, especially compared to the nearby towns of Richmond or Excelsior Springs. There doesn't seem to be a trouble making, white trash problem in Lexington, for example.
It's curious to me that "white trash" is still an acceptable term in a society that gets offended by just about everything. One group is still fair game apparently, and you can pile on with impunity apparently.

Lexington is a cool town by the way. Neat buildings and old houses.
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Old 02-12-2014, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Floyd County, IN
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Lexington, Richmond, and Excelsior Springs have always felt like the South to me.
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Old 02-15-2014, 10:52 AM
 
Location: KCMO
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Why do people have to go through 47 pages trying to prove that Missouri is southern? I wonder how many pages on citydata there are of people trying to prove that Alabama or Tennessee is southern? Few, if any. That's because those are real southern states, not fringe border states like Missouri and Maryland.
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