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Old 05-23-2014, 12:12 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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I have done some work for a guy with your MINE attitude. He was a bit different than others. Turns out he inherited about 20 million as a kid. You sure act like him. Talked Republican stuff always but once told me that he actually pays less taxes when the DEM'S are in power.
I didn't inherit a dime from anybody. There is no family business, no family connections, no political graft, etc. I make my money by working. I pay more taxes when Democrats are in power compared to Republicans since the Democrats generally increase income tax rates and Republicans generally lower it. But nice try to stick up a straw man, because you just know that everybody who isn't a liberal is a Koch brother...
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Old 05-23-2014, 12:18 PM
 
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I worked at a grocery store for a a while in college. A family came in and bought a full sheet $40 cake for "KiKi's" birthday. All paid for using food stamps. The same type of people would also come in and buy crab legs. The seafood dept would steam them, making them ready to eat.

I worked 30+ hours a week in college, just barely enough to pay my bills. Sometimes I was stuck eating frozen pizzas, Ramen, and beans until I got paid. Meanwhile, the taxes I was paying were going straight to KiKi and her lovely family.

Why don't we revert back to the old system where food stamps gets you chicken, ground beef, flour, eggs, milk, cheese, etc. No soda, candy, ice cream, or anything non-essential should be allowed.
Food stamps provide like $50 a week per person. Assuming you earn enough to be paying taxes, you should easily have more money than them to spend on food. Maybe you can get in touch with KiKi's family and get advice on budgeting your money.

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Well, that made people feel bad about being on food stamps and they tried to work to get off of them then. It's easier to buy a heck of a lot more votes by allowing people to stay on food stamps nearly indefinitely and buy whatever they want with them.
Pretty much everyone on food stamps of working age already has a job, so this idea makes no sense.

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I didn't inherit a dime from anybody. There is no family business, no family connections, no political graft, etc. I make my money by working. I pay more taxes when Democrats are in power compared to Republicans since the Democrats generally increase income tax rates and Republicans generally lower it. But nice try to stick up a straw man, because you just know that everybody who isn't a liberal is a Koch brother...
Unless you're an extremely wealthy person, this is incorrect; you paid more in taxes when the Republicans were in office.
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Old 05-23-2014, 12:24 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Unless you're an extremely wealthy person, this is incorrect; you paid more in taxes when the Republicans were in office.
No, I certainly pay more when Democrats are in office. I have a stack of old returns in my filing cabinet that say exactly that. And according to the IRS, if you are married and both you and your spouse work at a pretty average job, you're considered wealthy.
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Old 05-23-2014, 12:26 PM
 
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Ironically welfare dooms people to a cycle of perpetual poverty by penalizing work and rewarding not working. If I had a dollar for everybody I'd seen at work who said they'd work more except their government benefits (food stamps, HUD housing, unemployment, Medicaid, EITC, etc.) would be cut I'd be able to pay off my usurious interest rate monopoly Federal Direct Student Loans tomorrow. The old saying of "there's no higher tax increase than coming off of welfare" is absolutely true! People weigh working and not getting entitlements vs. not working and being able to sit on their keister watching garbage TV all day and getting benefits and working falls short. There are also quite a few accounts of people getting welfare payments who do live high on the hog- look at my link of the idiot surfer guy who drives an Escalade and buys lobster with his food stamps. That has been confirmed by multiple credible sources and it's by far not the only case of this garbage.

But hey, keep believing your discredited ideology. You'll maybe get a few more years worth of my money I have to work for that way.
How can someone that is on welfare own an Escalade and buy lobster to eat? They for sure didn't buy it(escalade) after they went on welfare.

I wouldn't doubt that there are many on welfare from very well to do families(that are lazy and won't work) that get something on the side from family. Like mommas old Escalade.
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Old 05-23-2014, 12:33 PM
 
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No, I certainly pay more when Democrats are in office. I have a stack of old returns in my filing cabinet that say exactly that. And according to the IRS, if you are married and both you and your spouse work at a pretty average job, you're considered wealthy.
GOP Can't Handle The Truth: Taxes Are Lower Under Obama Than Reagan | ThinkProgress
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Old 05-23-2014, 12:36 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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How can someone that is on welfare own an Escalade and buy lobster to eat? They for sure didn't buy it(escalade) after they went on welfare.

I wouldn't doubt that there are many on welfare from very well to do families(that are lazy and won't work) that get something on the side from family. Like mommas old Escalade.
^You are proving my point that there are a lot of lazy people on welfare and fraud in the welfare system and that certainly IS a bad thing. I don't think you intended to do that but you're doing a good job so keep it up

I am guessing this was originally intended to be some Marxist class warfare drivel about how anybody with any sort of access to some money is evil and the poor are blameless saints, etc. You sure whiffed on that one- lazy is lazy and a welfare abuser is a welfare abuser.
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Old 05-23-2014, 12:39 PM
 
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I cease to be surprised at anything they say anymore as socialism/statism is a failed ideology and the they know it. They lie repeatedly about nearly every major or semi-major topic. The IRS scandal, the multiple DOJ scandals, the NSA blatant violation of the 4th Amendment scandal, the Benghazi scandal, the VA scandals affecting facilities in nearly half of the states of the Union, the Obamacare debacle and coverup, et cetera ad nauseam. If called out on it they just defect with baseless ad hominem attacks, mainly by calling the accusers racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, or by some variation on "wanting to make the poor eat cat food" and of course with some reference to the root of all evil, the Koch Brothers and the Citizens United case. It's no surprise that 85% of people think that Obama lies to them in a recent poll, with nearly 2 in 5 thinking nearly everything that he reads off of his teleprompter is a lie:

Fox Poll: Most Americans Think Obama Lies
More of poor me stuff;

They lie


NSA blatant violation of the 4th Amendment scandal, the Benghazi scandal, the VA scandals affecting facilities


Fox Poll: Most Americans Think Obama Lies[/quote]


NSA. Bush was doing the same thing and he strated it.

VA: Bush knew about this as well and they didn't do squat.

Obamacare: Attack it if you want but it is here to stay or a version of it.

the Benghazi scandal: You know very good and well that there were numerous Embassy attacks under the Bush watch and many people killed. WHY have you never condemned this?

I agree that the Obama Admin. has really screwed up on some things. The screw up they did were to try and help the American people. Bush and his bunch didn't try to help America. Bush and crew just wanted to get as much oil and whatever for their own personal gain and for big business like the oil companies

I don't see how anyone can say well that was back then and not know. We are still suffering from Bushs actions and policies..
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Old 05-23-2014, 12:51 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Did you even read that article? Reagan came into office with Jimmy Carter's extremely high 70% upper marginal bracket tax rates in place. It took a while to get the legislation passed that decreased those rates and it happened in stages. (Reagan didn't pull an Obama and just use executive orders to change the law.) The top marginal income tax rate was decreased to 28% at the end of his term which was the lowest it had been since before FDR shot it up to 94% in the mid-1940s.



The reason that the "average" person paid less in taxes under Obama is because the bottom 47% of filers pay NO federal income taxes at all due to various credits and deductions. The 50th percentile "average" filer is just a hair above that and paid very little in taxes. How is it fair to have roughly half of the adult households in the country not paying any federal income tax? The bottom marginal rate was 0% during the end of the Jimmy Carter administration and Reagan eventually raised it to 15% because of this exact issue. There can't be half of the people paying essentially nothing in federal income taxes yet receiving a very significant amount of government entitlements and all of the rest of the government services.

I say have a flat tax- tax everybody the same percentage. Make twice as much, pay twice as much. How is that anything BUT fair since "we're all in this together?"
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Old 05-23-2014, 05:42 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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According to FrankMiller, marigold6, and Versatile the money you pay in taxes isn't your money and there is no waste, fraud, or abuse of the food stamp system.
Excuse me? I said nothing like that at all.
You realize people file slander lawsuits over crap like that.
Jefferson County libel lawsuit looks for someone to blame for internet posts : News
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Old 05-23-2014, 05:48 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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How is it fair to have roughly half of the adult households in the country not paying any federal income tax?
Better question.
Why do roughly half of adult households in the country earn so little that they do not pay any federal income tax, especially considering that over 85% of working age adults are employed.
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