I said this for Mo. a year ago. (Jackson, Rea: house, schools)

[Versatile]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ke...?ocid=msedgntp

I hope someone starts it in Mo.

[Arrby]

I am at a loss to understand a memorial for a disease. For this is what it amounts to.

How many of us have visited a memorial for the far worse - far FAR worse 1918 flu epidemic. No? Does anyone even know where one is? No? That is because basically there were none, although a few have been put up recently.

How about a memorial to those lost to the bane of my childhood - polio? It killed half a million people every year for decades back when populations were far smaller than today.

Heart disease and cancer kill about 600,000 people every year in the US. Do we put up a memorial to them? Why not? They are just as dead.

This is the first disease vector I have ever known or heard of with its own politics - and I suppose I will never understand why that is so. Since state sponsored memorials are always based in politics, perhaps it makes sense to have one for Covid-19.

[SunGrins]

Originally Posted by Arrby

I am at a loss to understand a memorial for a disease.

This is the first disease vector I have ever known or heard of with its own politics - and I suppose I will never understand why that is so.

With the possible exception of polio, most other fairly recent major diseases and pandemics came with some sort of religious judgmental aspect. That is certainly true of AIDS. Science and politics were less of a factor. The plague was sometimes considered a visitation or punishment. The bible instills that notion as the origin of diseases. People assumed that God would do that sort of thing. (Mine wouldn't.)

In 1918 we had the Spanish Flue, Scarlet Fever, and Diphtheria all at once. My mom and her whole family had Scarlet Fever while my dad, as a toddler, had diphtheria. Nobody got the Spanish Flu -- they were too sick to go out of the house to catch it.

We still have at least one person surviving in an "iron lung" from the polio days. There is a polio memorial in Des Moines showing a child getting a vaccine shot. That tends to link science to the disease and its prevention.

[Versatile]

Originally Posted by SunGrins

With the possible exception of polio, most other fairly recent major diseases and pandemics came with some sort of religious judgmental aspect. That is certainly true of AIDS. Science and politics were less of a factor. The plague was sometimes considered a visitation or punishment. The bible instills that notion as the origin of diseases. People assumed that God would do that sort of thing. (Mine wouldn't.)

In 1918 we had the Spanish Flue, Scarlet Fever, and Diphtheria all at once. My mom and her whole family had Scarlet Fever while my dad, as a toddler, had diphtheria. Nobody got the Spanish Flu -- they were too sick to go out of the house to catch it.

We still have at least one person surviving in an "iron lung" from the polio days. There is a polio memorial in Des Moines showing a child getting a vaccine shot. That tends to link science to the disease and its prevention.

We still have at least one person surviving in an "iron lung" from the polio days. There is a polio memorial in Des Moines showing a child getting a vaccine shot.
I came down with Polio one
week before the vaccine came to our area of Jackson County.

[MOforthewin]

Originally Posted by Arrby

I am at a loss to understand a memorial for a disease. For this is what it amounts to.

How many of us have visited a memorial for the far worse - far FAR worse 1918 flu epidemic. No? Does anyone even know where one is? No? That is because basically there were none, although a few have been put up recently.

How about a memorial to those lost to the bane of my childhood - polio? It killed half a million people every year for decades back when populations were far smaller than today.

Heart disease and cancer kill about 600,000 people every year in the US. Do we put up a memorial to them? Why not? They are just as dead.

This is the first disease vector I have ever known or heard of with its own politics - and I suppose I will never understand why that is so. Since state sponsored memorials are always based in politics, perhaps it makes sense to have one for Covid-19.

What about the 1957 one? Might have killed up to 4 million across the World. The 1968 one killed at least a million.

I asked my mom and she said in 1957 and 1968 they didn't shut schools down or close everything down and they didn't cancel sporting events and have stupid mask mandates. Life went on.

If the election wasn't coming up or if a Democrat was president they wouldn't have made a huge deal about this. Would be mentions but no mask mandates, no lockdowns and schools shutdown. 2.65 million World wide have died from it, granted the REAL number is likely much lower as we have seen some fudging when it comes to labeling deaths. Another 4 months and the virus in most areas will probably burn itself out with the vaccine and immunity. The final death toll will likely be less than 4 million. So depending on the numbers you go by, the 1957 and 1968 flu might have had the same number of deaths or possibly more than Covid 19.

Yet we had no massive lockdowns back then

Yet, you might recall Ebola the admin didn't take it that seriously. Now THAT could have been a disaster. Ebola unlike Covid isn't just a bad flu. You catch Ebola and you're screwed.

[lj1983]

they took ebola extremely seriously. there were people who broke quarantine, which we heard about because they took it seriously.

and it's likely the covid death numbers are underreported. both from under diagnosing in early days, continued under reporting across the world (see, Russia) and policies in the states where you are considered cured from covid based on time, whether you are showing symptoms or not (see: tennessee)

and you bring up 2.65 million deaths, currently...that's with massive lockdowns, mask efforts and now vaccines. When it's similar in deaths to a virus where we didn't do all those things...you aren't comparing apples to apples.