Obama vs. McCain (Independence, Washington, Republic: buy, minimum wage, live)

[linicx]

Before Clinton left office I was paying less than $1 for gas, $100 for gas and electric, real estate taxes were $400. I was able to save and stlll have spendable income. We are retired seniors.
Today we aii my gas and elec average $600 on a good month. Real estate taxes have tripled and the $.39 can of tomatoes cost $1.89. This is what Bushes trickle down economics did for us. I have no money to save and no expendable income. And my spouse takes 27 Rx + 3 OTC every day.

If you've listened to Greenspan and other financial wizards then you know it may be two years before the economy recovers. In the last year 1.5 million workers were reduced from full time to part time status.

McCain says Obama's plan is Socialism. Maybe so, But without it there would be no Social Security for retirees who worked 40 years, there would be no Medicaid, no Medicare, no reduced of free lunches at school for poor or struggling families, no early childhood programs, no federal school aid, no after school programs for working parents, no school buses, no retraining for laid off workers, no jobs, no welfare and no income while you are laid off. There would be no federal funds for children's hospitals or nursing homes, or funds for food pantries or soup kitchens. The elderly that have no income, no savings, no insurance, no rent assistance and no food will simply die on the street. No funds for college either. No Pell Grants and the philanthropic gifts will dry up.

Instead of thinking about race and vitrolic campaign rhetoric think about your children and whether or not you will be able to feed them this time next year. This election is historic for more than color and gender. The outcome will change our future for years to come.

I have a personal problem trusting a man who [1] likes younger pretty women on his arm, and [2] applied for a marriage license in Arizona while he was still married and living at home with his wife. Presumably they were co-habiting as they did not get a divorce for several months.

Thee you have it. McCain's moral values vs Obama's alleged socialism. Don't forget to vote.

[Brenda88]

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[northbound74]

Originally Posted by linicx

Before Clinton left office I was paying less than $1 for gas, $100 for gas and electric, real estate taxes were $400. I was able to save and stlll have spendable income. We are retired seniors.
Today we aii my gas and elec average $600 on a good month. Real estate taxes have tripled and the $.39 can of tomatoes cost $1.89. This is what Bushes trickle down economics did for us. I have no money to save and no expendable income. And my spouse takes 27 Rx + 3 OTC every day.

If you've listened to Greenspan and other financial wizards then you know it may be two years before the economy recovers. In the last year 1.5 million workers were reduced from full time to part time status.

McCain says Obama's plan is Socialism. Maybe so, But without it there would be no Social Security for retirees who worked 40 years, there would be no Medicaid, no Medicare, no reduced of free lunches at school for poor or struggling families, no early childhood programs, no federal school aid, no after school programs for working parents, no school buses, no retraining for laid off workers, no jobs, no welfare and no income while you are laid off. There would be no federal funds for children's hospitals or nursing homes, or funds for food pantries or soup kitchens. The elderly that have no income, no savings, no insurance, no rent assistance and no food will simply die on the street. No funds for college either. No Pell Grants and the philanthropic gifts will dry up.

Instead of thinking about race and vitrolic campaign rhetoric think about your children and whether or not you will be able to feed them this time next year. This election is historic for more than color and gender. The outcome will change our future for years to come.

I have a personal problem trusting a man who [1] likes younger pretty women on his arm, and [2] applied for a marriage license in Arizona while he was still married and living at home with his wife. Presumably they were co-habiting as they did not get a divorce for several months.

Thee you have it. McCain's moral values vs Obama's alleged socialism. Don't forget to vote.

I know you said before Clinton left office, but at the actual time he left office, the economy was tanking, gas prices were beginning to skyrocket towards $2 a gallon, and those overblown real estate prices were on their way, thanks to his policies.
Now, Bush decided to play nice, and act like a Democrat instead of a Republican, in terms of spending. That's where he got off track.
Obama wants even more, yet he wants to cut taxes at the same time. Sound familiar? Sounds a little like Bush to me.
Also, there's plenty of rich people, but not nearly enough to pay for all those wonderful socialist programs. As someone who makes a fraction of 250k, I'm certain my taxes will be raised under Obama at some point. Not right away, maybe, but after the honeymoon is over, and the campaign promises have been made, he'll go about doing things in a much different manner than what he's been saying.

As for morals, none of these people are perfect. None ever will be.
Yes, I am certainly concerned about Obama's associations with left-wing extremists. Just last night, I was watching Frontline, and they talked about how he spent a lot of time considering what church to go to before settling on it. I think he knew exactly what he was getting into with Jeremiah Wright. Bill Ayres, extremely corrupt Chicago politics... none of that sounds appealing to me. Nor does McCain, really.

[Blondie621]

Originally Posted by northbound74

In the Missouri suburbs of KC, I've seen an almost even mix of yard signs, with a slight edge going to McCain.
Obama's done a good job of brain-washing people into thinking McCain's just another Bush. How strange.
I want to like Obama, but I'm not remotely a socialist, not even in the mildest terms. Also, him not wanting his daughters to be "punished with a baby" is very disturbing. Children are NOT punishment for mistakes. They are nothing but a blessing.

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeze! Get with the program and do your homework. If everyone jumped off the bridge would you?

[northbound74]

Originally Posted by Blondie621

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeze! Get with the program and do your homework. If everyone jumped off the bridge would you?

Not sure what jumping off bridges has to do with anything. You appear to be someone who is sheepishly following the popular kids. Instead of quick sentences insulting the other side, give us reasons why we should vote for your guy, or at least hard facts against McCain.
Yes, I've done my homework, and I don't want someone who believes we have a right to entitlement, instead, I want someone who believes we have a right to be free from the excesses and power-hoarding of government. McCain's not my favorite choice, I don't even know how he made it this far, to be honest.

[Versatile]

Instead of just opinions. How about?

Which candidate has the best health care plan?

[northbound74]

Originally Posted by Versatile

Instead of just opinions. How about?

Which candidate has the best health care plan?

Not looking for a health care plan. I don't believe it's their job to do such things.
I want someone who will give me the most freedom to run my own life. That's it, nothing more.

[Northwoods Voyager]

Founding Fathers didn't have Health Care nor 'spreading the wealth around' in mind when they wrote the Constitution of this great land. Less government, keep my freedoms, leaders keep the borders secure, and allow me and others to pursue our own happiness. And if I fail, so what? That is my problem, not Washington D.C's.

[ucfjtm]

Originally Posted by linicx

Before Clinton left office I was paying less than $1 for gas, $100 for gas and electric, real estate taxes were $400. I was able to save and stlll have spendable income. We are retired seniors.
Today we aii my gas and elec average $600 on a good month. Real estate taxes have tripled and the $.39 can of tomatoes cost $1.89. This is what Bushes trickle down economics did for us. I have no money to save and no expendable income. And my spouse takes 27 Rx + 3 OTC every day.

If you've listened to Greenspan and other financial wizards then you know it may be two years before the economy recovers. In the last year 1.5 million workers were reduced from full time to part time status.

Economic decisions during an administration take years to manifest into reality. The downside of Clinton's earlier decisions (NAFTA, CRA push, taxes) were already coming about when he was finishing up his last two years. Remember the dot-com bust? The 2001 recession definitely wasn't caused by anything Bush did in his first 6 months in office.. that took time to grow.. and 9/11 only made it worse.

Originally Posted by linicx

McCain says Obama's plan is Socialism. Maybe so, But without it there would be no Social Security for retirees who worked 40 years, there would be no Medicaid, no Medicare, no reduced of free lunches at school for poor or struggling families, no early childhood programs, no federal school aid, no after school programs for working parents, no school buses, no retraining for laid off workers, no jobs, no welfare and no income while you are laid off. There would be no federal funds for children's hospitals or nursing homes, or funds for food pantries or soup kitchens. The elderly that have no income, no savings, no insurance, no rent assistance and no food will simply die on the street. No funds for college either. No Pell Grants and the philanthropic gifts will dry up.

So increasing the tax burden even further on the wealthy will solve all these spending problems? What happens when the majority of corporations and wealthy individuals decide to move to countries that have more friendly tax brackets for their lifestyle? Businesses have been doing that since Clinton signed the NAFTA deal, and they only continue to move out of the country for lower tax rates and lower cost of employees. The US will be left with a huge portion of people on social programs and no money to support them.. sounds like California! The solution is to reduce federal spending down to bare essentials, maintain a slight yearly surplus to pay off the national debt, and move more "social" responsibilities to the state level.

Originally Posted by linicx

Instead of thinking about race and vitrolic campaign rhetoric think about your children and whether or not you will be able to feed them this time next year. This election is historic for more than color and gender. The outcome will change our future for years to come.

Yes, and I heavily believe that one party running the House, Senate, and White House is especially bad for the country, especially when the guy in the White House never says "no" to the demands of his own party. Voting for Obama isn't to have Obama run the country - it's to have Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid run the country.. the same two who heavily supported the original (horrible) Wall Street bailout bill. Obama will never veto a bad Pelosi/Reid bill, and that's a scary fact.

Originally Posted by linicx

I have a personal problem trusting a man who [1] likes younger pretty women on his arm, and [2] applied for a marriage license in Arizona while he was still married and living at home with his wife. Presumably they were co-habiting as they did not get a divorce for several months.

Democrats love to point this out about McCain, meanwhile praising their hero JFK. But they give JFK a free pass because it's Marilyn Monroe. What about more recently? Democrats also love to talk about the "great" times of Clinton - as you mistakenly did earlier without understanding the ramifications of his economic policies for future years. Was Clinton any better than McCain when it comes to personal morals? Want a cigar Monica?

While you and I may not like some personal choices politicians make, they have NO EFFECT on their decisions in running the country.

Originally Posted by linicx

Thee you have it. McCain's moral values vs Obama's alleged socialism. Don't forget to vote.

I hope you're not a hypocrite that voted for guys like JFK and Clinton, or supported someone like John Edwards, because they're in clear violation of your "moral" code. Someone's personal choice in a companion versus how someone wants to turn our country into Canada or a European country? Which decision affects us the most? It's a no-brainer - the government is already over-involved in our lives. I'm not voting for someone who's going to make it more invasive. It's not happening this election, but I'll always be supporting the ones who want to reduce the size of government, reduce spending, and transfer more power to the states.

[GetmeoutofAR]

Originally Posted by ucfjtm

Economic decisions during an administration take years to manifest into reality. The downside of Clinton's earlier decisions (NAFTA, CRA push, taxes) were already coming about when he was finishing up his last two years. Remember the dot-com bust? The 2001 recession definitely wasn't caused by anything Bush did in his first 6 months in office.. that took time to grow.. and 9/11 only made it worse.


So increasing the tax burden even further on the wealthy will solve all these spending problems? What happens when the majority of corporations and wealthy individuals decide to move to countries that have more friendly tax brackets for their lifestyle? Businesses have been doing that since Clinton signed the NAFTA deal, and they only continue to move out of the country for lower tax rates and lower cost of employees. The US will be left with a huge portion of people on social programs and no money to support them.. sounds like California! The solution is to reduce federal spending down to bare essentials, maintain a slight yearly surplus to pay off the national debt, and move more "social" responsibilities to the state level.



Yes, and I heavily believe that one party running the House, Senate, and White House is especially bad for the country, especially when the guy in the White House never says "no" to the demands of his own party. Voting for Obama isn't to have Obama run the country - it's to have Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid run the country.. the same two who heavily supported the original (horrible) Wall Street bailout bill. Obama will never veto a bad Pelosi/Reid bill, and that's a scary fact.


Democrats love to point this out about McCain, meanwhile praising their hero JFK. But they give JFK a free pass because it's Marilyn Monroe. What about more recently? Democrats also love to talk about the "great" times of Clinton - as you mistakenly did earlier without understanding the ramifications of his economic policies for future years. Was Clinton any better than McCain when it comes to personal morals? Want a cigar Monica?

While you and I may not like some personal choices politicians make, they have NO EFFECT on their decisions in running the country.


I hope you're not a hypocrite that voted for guys like JFK and Clinton, or supported someone like John Edwards, because they're in clear violation of your "moral" code. Someone's personal choice in a companion versus how someone wants to turn our country into Canada or a European country? Which decision affects us the most? It's a no-brainer - the government is already over-involved in our lives. I'm not voting for someone who's going to make it more invasive. It's not happening this election, but I'll always be supporting the ones who want to reduce the size of government, reduce spending, and transfer more power to the states.

So therefore you will NEVER vote democrat