Obama vs. McCain (Republic, California, Miller: sale, hotel, purchases)

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by Northwoods Voyager

Perhaps I should clarify my references to the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence. Yes, times have changed, people have changed and circumstances have changed over the last 230+ years. However, nowhere in these historic documents are citizens promised a Utopia. The 'American Dream', as evidenced in the following link:

The American Dream

demonstrates, to me, that perhaps we are all somewhat guilty of searching for the wrong answers from either of these candidates. Obama vs McCain? Guess we will see one week from today. I still think that the aforementioned documents are the greatest guidelines for this country and it's citizens to read and cherish.

I agree with you Northwoods Voyager.

[linicx]

Originally Posted by northbound74

I know you said before Clinton left office, but at the actual time he left office, the economy was tanking, gas prices were beginning to skyrocket towards $2 a gallon, and those overblown real estate prices were on their way, thanks to his policies. . .

The day King George was seated gas was $1.01. Real Estate prices started to climb when realtors, title companies and lender discovered they could legally lie cheat and steal their way into a billion dollar deep pocket. Now, there are a few honest realtors but they are few and far between and you have to look for them. HintL: Honest, moral reators do not work for the four national sister comapnies.

Try as you may, you cannot blame Clinton for the actions of a Republican controlled congress during his last term, but you can blame King George for the actions of his out of control cronies for the last 8 years of failed economic policy and war mongering. For 16 years or longer your red state friends have had one big party while trying to stuff America down the toilet and bankrupt her at the same time. You elected a person who only believes in a ONE world ONE governmemt global society ruled by the most wealny men in the world from a seat in a country that is NOT located in America, nor are the principles democratic.

Becareful what you wish for as four years is a very long time.

[ucfjtm]

Originally Posted by linicx

The day King George was seated gas was $1.01. Real Estate prices started to climb when realtors, title companies and lender discovered they could legally lie cheat and steal their way into a billion dollar deep pocket. Now, there are a few honest realtors but they are few and far between and you have to look for them. HintL: Honest, moral reators do not work for the four national sister comapnies.

Try as you may, you cannot blame Clinton for the actions of a Republican controlled congress during his last term, but you can blame King George for the actions of his out of control cronies for the last 8 years of failed economic policy and war mongering. For 16 years or longer your red state friends have had one big party while trying to stuff America down the toilet and bankrupt her at the same time. You elected a person who only believes in a ONE world ONE governmemt global society ruled by the most wealny men in the world from a seat in a country that is NOT located in America, nor are the principles democratic.

Becareful what you wish for as four years is a very long time.

Clinton, with a Democrat-majority House and Senate, bolstered the CRA in January of 1995 to force banks to meet quotas of risky loans. Government involvement in the financial industry is what started this mess. Clinton also signed the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 in 1999, because he believed it would help US banks compete with foreign banks/investment firms that didn't have the restrictions of segregation that ours had. Must be nice to live through life with blinders, since it was the Democrat party that didn't want anything to do with regulation of the housing industry, notably Fannie and Freddie, when Bush pushed for their reform as early as 2002/2003.

I don't agree with much of Bush's policies, but these statements that he's solely responsible for a lot of which that was out of the control of any president is ridiculous. Clinton's economic policies gave us the 1% prime rates in 2001 that forced investors en masse to the real estate market. That sure wasn't Bush's fault. Bush had nothing to do with the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act - Clinton signed it. Bush had nothing to do with the government forcing banks to give out quotas of bad loans to meet merger ratings - that one's on Clinton, and it happened before Republicans took majority of House & Senate.

People like you, on both sides, are why many Independents can't stand getting involved in politics. You say Clinton's not at fault for anything bad that happened from 1997-2000, but you say Bush IS at fault for what's happened since Democrats took over in 2007? Way to be a hypocrite..

[ucfjtm]

Originally Posted by linicx

The day King George was seated gas was $1.01.

Oh, and you're only off.. by 50%! Way to make up your own "facts":
Global comparison of price per gallon of gasoline (January 2001)
Gas was $1.52 in January of 2001, when Bush was seated. Keep in mind the prices of Japan, South Korea, and European countries, and we're STILL paying less today.

[Northwoods Voyager]

And Pres. Bush should not be 'blamed' for the years of a Democratic controlled Congress either???? Name calling and laying blame gets us nowhere IMHO. It just prolongs the agony of acceptance of a dismal and partisan government that has dominated our country for far too long.

If I may, I would suggest that unless we desire to be taken care of from the cradle to the grave, we open our eyes as well as our ears and beware of promises that just may, just may be able to be kept.

Yes, please, please be careful of your wishes and desires if you are a free thinker and have any ambition. Or if your children are or do.

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by Northwoods Voyager

Yes, please, please be careful of your wishes and desires if you are a free thinker and have any ambition. Or if your children are or do.

For some unkown reason many conservatives hold much contempt for Independent minded individuals. Perhaps they have finally realized that Independents have little in common with their conservative agenda

[tambre]

Originally Posted by ucfjtm

Clinton, with a Democrat-majority House and Senate, bolstered the CRA in January of 1995 to force banks to meet quotas of risky loans. Government involvement in the financial industry is what started this mess. Clinton also signed the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 in 1999, because he believed it would help US banks compete with foreign banks/investment firms that didn't have the restrictions of segregation that ours had. Must be nice to live through life with blinders, since it was the Democrat party that didn't want anything to do with regulation of the housing industry, notably Fannie and Freddie, when Bush pushed for their reform as early as 2002/2003.

I don't agree with much of Bush's policies, but these statements that he's solely responsible for a lot of which that was out of the control of any president is ridiculous. Clinton's economic policies gave us the 1% prime rates in 2001 that forced investors en masse to the real estate market. That sure wasn't Bush's fault. Bush had nothing to do with the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act - Clinton signed it. Bush had nothing to do with the government forcing banks to give out quotas of bad loans to meet merger ratings - that one's on Clinton, and it happened before Republicans took majority of House & Senate.

People like you, on both sides, are why many Independents can't stand getting involved in politics. You say Clinton's not at fault for anything bad that happened from 1997-2000, but you say Bush IS at fault for what's happened since Democrats took over in 2007? Way to be a hypocrite..

It would be interesting to find out how the vote was broken down by party. From my limited understanding by reading about this act, (which I'd never heard of before you mentioned it, thanks) of the Glass Steagall Act, I think it was a big mistake to repeal it. It has given too much power to the banks. The old fox in the hen house scenerio. From what I've been reading, it was instituted during the depression, and for 25 years Congress had been trying to repeal the Glass Steagall Act. Personally, it seems totally ludicrious to try to blame either side...they both should take responsibility, and we as voters should also be more aware of how these decisions are affecting our economy, before we reach the economic disaster stage that we're in. Why didn't the great money minds (Greenspan and Bernake) see this coming?

[ucfjtm]

Originally Posted by tambre

Personally, it seems totally ludicrious to try to blame either side...they both should take responsibility, and we as voters should also be more aware of how these decisions are affecting our economy, before we reach the economic disaster stage that we're in. Why didn't the great money minds (Greenspan and Bernake) see this coming?

Those "great money minds" are part of a corrupt power system called the Federal Reserve. I do agree with you - there's plenty of blame to go around. I was making those points in reference to those who think the economic situation the last 8 years was entirely caused by Bush. I'm not even going to defend most of what he's done, but the economic situation he for the most part inherited - he didn't create the majority of the causes of it.

[northbound74]

Originally Posted by linicx

The day King George was seated gas was $1.01. Real Estate prices started to climb when realtors, title companies and lender discovered they could legally lie cheat and steal their way into a billion dollar deep pocket. Now, there are a few honest realtors but they are few and far between and you have to look for them. HintL: Honest, moral reators do not work for the four national sister comapnies.

Try as you may, you cannot blame Clinton for the actions of a Republican controlled congress during his last term, but you can blame King George for the actions of his out of control cronies for the last 8 years of failed economic policy and war mongering. For 16 years or longer your red state friends have had one big party while trying to stuff America down the toilet and bankrupt her at the same time. You elected a person who only believes in a ONE world ONE governmemt global society ruled by the most wealny men in the world from a seat in a country that is NOT located in America, nor are the principles democratic.

Becareful what you wish for as four years is a very long time.

I vividly remember gas shooting up during the last year or two of Clinton's presidency. Some people thought Bush could get the prices lower. Wellll... In the end, it's we as consumers who control the price of anything. The government can only set policies to get the ball rolling in one direction or another. Look at the recent situation. Less demand, and/or increased supply for gas=cheap gas.
I also remember almost daily layoff announcements that last year or two.
I think that Bush, as well as Clinton are to blame for the housing mess of recent years.

As for the One World Government... uh, okay. Obama will certainly be much cozier with the likes of the United Nations than Bush ever was. Yes, be careful of what you wish.
Not defending Bush for everything, but let's be real.

One last thing, I'm sick of the red-state, blue-state childishness. The state I live in may have been 'red' in the last two elections, but it regularly goes back and forth. It's nice and purple.
Every state, even my least favorite ones, has something good to offer.
Constantly bickering over who elected who, even when nothing drastically changes from one administration to the next, is only detrimental to our country. We are much weaker when we are divided like this. Yes, I preach to myself, as well.

[northbound74]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

For some unkown reason many conservatives hold much contempt for Independent minded individuals. Perhaps they have finally realized that Independents have little in common with their conservative agenda

I'd have to add that liberals, on the other end of the spectrum are much the same towards independent thinkers.
I do get irritated with conservatives that try to use legislation to further their agenda. At that point, we become hypocrites.
I'm leaning more and more libertarian, because they seem to be more conservative that conservatives are. There would only be a couple of issues that I would have troubles with.