Obama vs. McCain (Republic, Northwoods, Louisiana: estate, residential, friendly)

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by ucfjtm

I hope you're kidding with that statement.

Here are a few examples of Clinton's "excellent" non-affair policies:
1993. Raised taxes on nearly everyone after running a campaign promising to lower taxes for all but the very wealthy. Apparently, the very wealthy included those making just $40k a year.
1993. Dismantled the military. There are a LOT of families that were suddenly unemployed because of "forced retirement" from a career in the military years before they had planned on retiring. My family in particular was affect by this, and a pilot finding a job with an airline was *extremely* difficult.
1993. World Trade Center bombing. Yeah, a lot was done to punish those involved or take that sort of threat seriously..
1993. Mogadishu. Black Hawk Down. 'Nuff said.
1993. Clinton rushes to sign NAFTA treaty, which will go into effect in January of 1994. Although pushed for by Bush Sr, it's who signs their name that takes the credit/blame for the results of their actions. Clinton promised economic and job growth, and results have shown that economic growth happened from companies outsourcing cheaper labor while millions of jobs have been lost at the same time. The ghost-town of the Midwest manufacturing jobs is mostly due to this treaty.
1995. Just a couple weeks before Republicans took majority House/Senate, Clinton beefs up the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 by forcing banks to give out risky loans to people who can't afford them so they are eligible for mergers. Welcome to the initial source of government involvement in the housing meltdown.
1999. Signed the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, which as a by-product, allowed banks to trade risky mortgages. The banks make the money and take no risk. This had a lot of Republican support, but Clinton *could* have refused to sign the bill. Instead, he voiced his support to make the economy LOOK better when he left office. You, like many others, apparently fell for it.
2000. Claimed a budget surplus. Funny, considering the treasury's website's listing of the year-by-year national debt never showed a decrease. Clinton lied about it - he intentionally didn't include the payment of interest on the debt within his budget to CLAIM he had a surplus.
End of 2000:
Clinton leaves office with the economy stagnating and inflation growing, so Greenspan continues to lower interest rates, which fuels the housing meltdown we see today. Gas prices were at $1.51 a gallon after being just $1.00 a few years earlier. Bush still has to deal with an inherited recession in 2001.

Without looking at the affairs, for some reason Clinton continues to be the most overrated President in the last 50 years. Our current economy is mostly to blame from his actions. There are more policies that were far from "excellent," but that's a good enough list of BAD policies for now.

You really think this is Clinton's fault and you can just excuse the next 8 years Bush took over? Wow...somebody is in denial

[ucfjtm]

Originally Posted by ajf131

You really think this is Clinton's fault and you can just excuse the next 8 years Bush took over? Wow...somebody is in denial

Woah, don't confuse me with a Republican. I don't agree with a lot of Bush's policies, but you stated Clinton was an "excellent" president. When you compare his foreign policy and media fondness to Bush, of course he looks excellent. However, he did a lot of things that made things worse, not better, especially concerning the economy compared to Bush. I don't agree with the Bush tax cuts, but most of our current economic problem is very closely tied to 3 issues:
- Housing
- Jobs
- Illegal Immigration

Bush and Clinton have done nothing to crack down on illegal immigration - so I cut no slack there. However, the housing problem we have today is MUCH more at fault for what happened as far as policies during Clinton's terms compared to Bush, and the job situation is in the same boat - heavily tied to NAFTA and outsourcing. Bush attempted housing reform, and Dems stonewalled the issue of reforming their babies - Fannie & Freddie. Bush didn't do much about NAFTA, but he can't create laws - that's up to Congress, and the Dem-majority Congress of the last 2 years hasn't done anything more than the previous 6 years of Repub-majority Congress under Bush.

Both parties are to blame for where we're at, and Clinton is only a slightly better President than Bush, mainly because he didn't blow spending out of the water or get us heavily involved in wars. For so many other issues though, Clinton was worse than Bush. That makes Clinton the most overrated President in the last 50+ years.. the fact that you and many other liberals are in denial about it. There are not many people claiming Bush was a great President, but it's absurd to think that Clinton's policies were "excellent."

[STLCardsBlues1989]

McCain concedes.

[ucfjtm]

Originally Posted by STLCardsBlues1989

McCain concedes.

His speech in Arizona a few minutes ago.. That was the most honorable exit I could have imagined.

Obama's now got the country looking his way to move us through the next four years, and I think he's well aware that it's in his best interests for 2012 to push through good laws and stand up to his party on the bad ones. He's got my support, and I hope he follows through with his promises to have a bipartisan cabinet, comes to compromise with a Republican minority, and doesn't allow anyone in his party to use him as a puppet to push a far-left agenda. (Ahem, Bush.. Cheney's puppet.)

[Northwoods Voyager]

Sad night for free thinkers and supporters of the good old work ethic of our country. Let's not forget the loyalists in Congress. A one party rule for all of us? Sad night.

[northbayeric]

Ominous repercussions as far as the direction of the Supreme Court is concerned. On the international front, I fear for Israel and think that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and other terrorist saber-rattlers will be very emboldened by these results.

I can only hope Sarah Palin will soon begin to lay the groundwork for a Presidential run in 2012. Everything she said during her campaign rally speeches will be totally vindicated between now and then. She will come out from under the yoke of the McCain campaign's handlers and shine even more brightly in 2011 when hopefully her Presidential campaign will begin.

NV is right as usual--we who are able-bodied are relying more and more on government bureaucrats to wipe our rear ends instead of taking care of ourselves.

Finally, I'm an incorrigible talk radio junkie. Talk radio is the only thing that keeps the conservative remnant in the San Francisco Bay Area sane (besides, of course, the Lord Jesus Christ). Already, Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York is talking about passing the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" which would destroy AM talk radio. This would bring us to a hideous combination of fascism and socialism in America. Should Obama pursue this, I will not be silent, be assured.

[northbayeric]

Oh, and the same thing (how could I forget?) with the so-called "Freedom of Choice" act that would do to individual state pro-life laws what Hurricane Katrina did to New Orleans. Barack Obama has stated that the enactment of this act would be among his first actions as President. Hope and change?!

[Northwoods Voyager]

Yes, the Fairness Doctrine....we will conduct a letter writing campaign to our Senators and Representatives, won't we????? Or email, something to let them know that we are not lemmings.

[STLCardsBlues1989]

99.349% of votes counted, and McCain leads Obama by 398 votes.

[tambre]

This was a monumental victory! Power to the people. Give us back a voice in the direction of this country, instead of making us all pawns to the power brokers bankers and elite Republican skull and bones society. I'm proud of America again for the first time in a long time.