Missouri loses a notch in population ranking (Springfield, Ozark: sale, leasing)

[ShadowCaver]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

I'm not from MO and my wife and I will be newbies. After seeing what's happened to our state I can only admire and applaud those who don't want it to happen to them and their state.

I know I push-back on OzarksBoy on occasions but it's just in fun. Decades ago I deplored what happened to my sleepy little beach town when it became "discovered." Not only do I not want to see that happen to Missouri but I want to become a part of its strength and protection and not its overpopulation and attendant cultural shift.

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And that may be why its good to have some zoning or such restrictions or regs in place - put there FIRST by the locals, BEFORE the area gets trampled by the 'newcomers'. Be proactive, decide how the land and its usage should be; protect its beauty and culture now.

[Silvermouse]

Originally Posted by ShadowCaver

And that may be why its good to have some zoning or such restrictions or regs in place - put there FIRST by the locals, BEFORE the area gets trampled by the 'newcomers'. Be proactive, decide how the land and its usage should be; protect its beauty and culture now.

You mean that would work better than being snarky on an internet message board? Hmmmm....

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by ShadowCaver

And that may be why its good to have some zoning or such restrictions or regs in place - put there FIRST by the locals, BEFORE the area gets trampled by the 'newcomers'. Be proactive, decide how the land and its usage should be; protect its beauty and culture now.

So, ShadowCaver, how long should I give the locals to do all that before I actually move to MO? I'm no spring chicken and only have a finite amount of time left.

[ozarksboy]

Originally Posted by ShadowCaver

And that may be why its good to have some zoning or such restrictions or regs in place - put there FIRST by the locals, BEFORE the area gets trampled by the 'newcomers'. Be proactive, decide how the land and its usage should be; protect its beauty and culture now.

So what you're saying is: We need to change our lifestyle by adopting planning and zoning in the rural areas to prepare for those droves of newcomers who have declared they're coming whether we like it or not and have pledged that they don't want to bring about or cause any changes to our lifestyle.

[ShadowCaver]

Originally Posted by ozarksboy

So what you're saying is: We need to change our lifestyle by adopting planning and zoning in the rural areas to prepare for those droves of newcomers who have declared they're coming whether we like it or not and have pledged that they don't want to bring about or cause any changes to our lifestyle.

silly boy - what I be saying is make the P&Z now, protect the land/culture/etc now as the 'locals' see/believe it should be - before the hordes come into the land. If a people don't protect that which they value first, but then cry about losing what they valued after the 'changers' come,,, No, don't change, but protect.

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

So, ShadowCaver, how long should I give the locals to do all that before I actually move to MO? I'm no spring chicken and only have a finite amount of time left.

well, since some hillfolk move about as fast as molasses at dark-thirty in the depth of a frigid January night, you might indeed have to wait a fair amount of time... but, heck, just bust their bubbles and move in anyhow! Heck, w/ a moniker like Curbudgeon, ya should fit right in just nicely

[GraniteStater]

Many towns have a conservation commission whose job is look for parcels of land to protect. $$$ are then raised by non-profit conservancy groups to buy up the land or put it into conservation. Another example would be a landowner who wants to conserve his land from being subdivided or developed. This is known as a conservation easment. The landowner can gain revenue by continuing to run his farm or forest, but the land itself will not be further developed. I know what I said is complicated, but it does work for many in my area.

[ozarksboy]

Originally Posted by ShadowCaver

what I be saying is make the P&Z now, protect the land/culture/etc now as the 'locals' see/believe it should be - before the hordes come into the land. If a people don't protect that which they value first, but then cry about losing what they valued after the 'changers' come,,, No, don't change, but protect.

I think you're right, but don't you find it ironic that we ruralians have done OK without zoning regulation, yet we have to think about adopting such regulation to protect ourselves from a swarm of folks who are trying to escape regulation? What other legislative constraints are they going to force us into?

Do y'all see now why old grouches like myself are so reluctant to accept "progress" and embrace newcomers? Oh, well, they're coming anyway, whether we like it or not, or whether we are ready for them or not.

Whoopee and yee-haw!

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by ozarksboy

Do y'all see now why old grouches like myself are so reluctant to accept "progress" and embrace newcomers? Oh, well, they're coming anyway, whether we like it or not, or whether we are ready for them or not.

Well if I get there quick enough and be in the vanguard then maybe I can stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you to help stem the tide.

But you're right OB. Ready or not, here I come. I guess the only good news is that I agree with you; especially about the regulations.

[Lake Junkie]

Originally Posted by ShadowCaver

And that may be why its good to have some zoning or such restrictions or regs in place - put there FIRST by the locals, BEFORE the area gets trampled by the 'newcomers'. Be proactive, decide how the land and its usage should be; protect its beauty and culture now.

Originally Posted by ozarksboy

I think you're right, but don't you find it ironic that we ruralians have done OK without zoning regulation, yet we have to think about adopting such regulation to protect ourselves from a swarm of folks who are trying to escape regulation?

That is pretty funny.

[J1ndo]

Originally Posted by ozarksboy

I think you're right, but don't you find it ironic that we ruralians have done OK without zoning regulation, yet we have to think about adopting such regulation to protect ourselves from a swarm of folks who are trying to escape regulation? What other legislative constraints are they going to force us into?

A little, but it's also perfectly logical. As the population increases, so does the need for regulation. Your "ruralians" aren't fundamentally different than the newcomers, it's just easier to get by without regulations when there's not that many of you, you have a lot of room, and you share a relatively common view of the land and its uses.

And for many of the newcomers, the increased regulation that you chafe against will often seem like utter freedom, so it's still a net gain for them. They won't perceive any irony, for there is none for them.

The burden of adjustment is mostly yours to carry. The weight of that burden depends on your ability to adapt. You have no birthright to the land, no greater claim than the newcomers have. You were there first, sure; but all that gives you is a brief opportunity to act to try to steer the change in a way that is less painful to you.