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Old 08-01-2012, 04:02 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Missourians in St. Louis tend to live in Missouri because it is cheaper than living in Illinois.
This is a very peculiar statement. Missourians tend to live in Missouri because the metro area of St. Louis by and large is located in Missouri. From the city's founding, it grew west.

And I think your premise about it being cheaper than Illinois is wrong. The biggest expenditure most people face is their home, and historically homes are much cheaper in Illinois than in most of the more desirable St. Louis suburbs in Missouri. I recognize other costs, such as property taxes and state income taxes, are likely higher over in Illinois, but to suggest that's the only reason people stay in Missouri is incorrect.

There are some nice communities over there, such as Edwardsville, O'Fallon, parts of Belleville, Waterloo, but they are largely disconnected from the greater St. Louis metro and would involve long commutes unless one happens to work in Illinois.
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Old 08-09-2012, 07:37 PM
 
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St. Louis City IS growing again since 2000. Yeah, there's ghetto. I'm sure there's ghetto in Kansas City also. There has been millions invested in Downtown St. Louis since 2000. There are still things being built, like Roberts Tower. There is development taking place in St. Louis. I think for the first time in a long time St. Louis is on the rise again.
The new census shows that St. Louis lost about 10,000 residents in the last ten years. It has lost residents for about 50 years straight now, which feels about right. KC is no NYC, but it is better than St. Louis for most people who are interested in quality of life.
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Old 08-10-2012, 06:52 AM
 
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KC blows, literally.

No history, boring architecture, flat treeless geography, no good pro sports teams, fat and ugly residents, MO-KS people hate each other, no downtown life and a boring generic skyline, endless ugly and monotonous suburbs devoid of any character, geographically isolated and racially intolerant, terrible plains weather which means colder in the winter, hotter in the summer and windy year round.
No thanks.
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Old 08-10-2012, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Tower Grove East, St. Louis, MO
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The new census shows that St. Louis lost about 10,000 residents in the last ten years. It has lost residents for about 50 years straight now, which feels about right. KC is no NYC, but it is better than St. Louis for most people who are interested in quality of life.
Kansas City has only maintained or gained residents because of annexation of suburban areas into the city limits. There has been a great deal of exodus in the central core of the city.
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Old 08-10-2012, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Tower Grove East, St. Louis, MO
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KC blows, literally.

No history, boring architecture, flat treeless geography, no good pro sports teams, fat and ugly residents, MO-KS people hate each other, no downtown life and a boring generic skyline, endless ugly and monotonous suburbs devoid of any character, geographically isolated and racially intolerant, terrible plains weather which means colder in the winter, hotter in the summer and windy year round.
No thanks.
And just so I'm not accused of bias, this post is also nonsensical.

Kansas City is not flat or treeless, though, of course, some of the exurbs ::cough cough:: OP ::cough:: are.

No good pro sports teams -- it's a shame the Royals haven't been competitive in so long but the Chiefs have been improving and are only 2 seasons removed from having made the playoffs. Plus Sporting KC is pretty darn good.

Mo-KS people have some issues, but to bring it up to the level of hate is silly. There's some animosity, and it sucks, but don't overstate it.

Downtown has made great strides this decade and while P&L isn't exactly my scene, it's certainly plenty hopping on the weekends. And I think the skyline is pretty lovely actually -- especially because it's built on a hill (see, again, KC isn't flat!)

Most suburbs everywhere are endless, monotonous, and devoid of character, but places like Fairway, Parkville and Lee's Summit have plenty to like.

It is geographically isolated; I hate that. No argument from me there.

I haven't found it particularly more intolerant than either of the other Midwestern cities in which I've lived ... well maybe a little bit. There's some work to do here to be sure.

The weather doesn't bother me in the least -- I like having 4, reasonably equal, seasons.
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Old 08-10-2012, 12:59 PM
 
Location: St. Louis City
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I appreciate civic pride .. however our state would be better off if we could all appreciate the diversity of BOTH cities .. one older and more east coast like when developed, and the other younger and more west coast in development. Both great midwestern cities with different things to offer our states residents!
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Old 12-24-2012, 09:13 AM
 
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I may be moving to one of those cities in the next 3-4 years. I have young kids and my wife will be attending med school, so I'll need to pick a city that has good public schools and affordable housing in those school districts, as well as a thriving, growing economy. I'll need a pretty good sized house that doesnt cost a fortune, whether it be owning or renting.

So which is the better city to live in? Lets discuss. I have my own opinion on which I think is the better city, and I'll discuss why later after I see some responses and gather my thoughts better. This includes the suburbs of both cities, btw. Since the schools that my wife would be potentially attending are all in the cities themselves, decent access and proximity to those areas figure into this also.
Both are nice but St Louis is usually ranked as either number one or number two as the most dangerous city in America. This past year they were number one. Detroit is number two. There is also a web site from Leisure and Travel where you can compare any two cities. Probably ten different areas and Kansas City won over St Louis. In fact, St Louis only came out ahead in one area. I live in Illinois and have been to both many times.
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Old 12-24-2012, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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The new census shows that St. Louis lost about 10,000 residents in the last ten years. It has lost residents for about 50 years straight now, which feels about right. KC is no NYC, but it is better than St. Louis for most people who are interested in quality of life.
Quality of life? That's just not true. The only way to compare these two cities is to look at their entire metro areas. St. Louis is tiny inside its city limits, just 60 square miles. St. Louis County and St. Louis city combined is essentially the equivalent of all of Jackson County. St. Louis city isn't part of its county, unlike KC. Having visited KC several times, I would take St. Louis' quality of life over KC's anyday.

Getting back to the main point, St. Louis is every bit as competent in quality of life as Kansas City. We have our own style of barbeque, great blues and jazz music, good sports teams (unlike KC, which has NONE), tons of riverboat casinos and Lumiere, the Central West End, the Hill (KC has nothing on STL in terms of Italian food), then in the county we have Downtown Clayton, Downtown Maplewood, Downtown Kirkwood, Downtown Webster Groves, St. Charles, Chesterfield...all major centers of dining and entertainment. In additon, St. Louis has an excellent freeway system, miles more efficient than KC's tangled mess. KC just doesn't have near the amount of urbanity STL does..STL is also almost larger than KC by about a million people....it may have lost in population, but the fact that more people live in STL than KC tells me which city would get more people's votes. Not to mention, STL has a lightrail system. KC's main sources of entertainment are all downtown....STL has entertainment spread all over its metro area, all the way out to Wentzville.
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Old 12-24-2012, 05:02 PM
 
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A lot of KC's attractions are downtown/midtown/Plaza, but some of the burbs have attractions as well. Independence has an arena and numerous historical attractions as do several other suburbs, Worlds of Fun is up north, and so on..... Even the sports complex is sort of in a suburban style area, near Independence.
It's kind of impressive that KC has many of it's attractions centrally located considering how suburb-oriented it is.
I wouldn't base quality of life on several visits. Kansas City isn't completely my cup of tea, but quality of life is extremely high for those who want to live in that general part of the country.
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Old 12-25-2012, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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Both are nice but St Louis is usually ranked as either number one or number two as the most dangerous city in America. This past year they were number one. Detroit is number two. There is also a web site from Leisure and Travel where you can compare any two cities. Probably ten different areas and Kansas City won over St Louis. In fact, St Louis only came out ahead in one area. I live in Illinois and have been to both many times.
St. Louis in its city limits is tiny. Detroit is a part of Wayne County and much bigger in land area than St. Louis. ST. Louis City is only 60 square miles and just a tiny portion of its metro area. St. Louis County has been ranked as one of the safest counties to live in in the nation.

The only places where St. Louis city is bad is north of Delmar and east of Grand in the southern part of the city. And the crime tends to stay in those areas. You are just one of many who thinks statistics tell the whole story and don't bother to investigate yourself.
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