In what ways is Southern Missouri southern, and in what ways is it not? (St. Louis: tax, bill)
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Im talking the states government. Why don't they fly the Stars and Bars at the capital also? I think they all should. Georgia also did at one time until they became PC and took it down and changed their state flag as well.
You live in northern FL which still has dixie left. Go south of Central FL and especially south Florida. Most in South Florida hate dixie. in Naples, Ft Myers if you went around with a truck full of battle flag bumper stickers everyone would laugh at you and call you white trash. I hardly ever noticed Confederate flags in Collier county unless it was someone from way out in Golden Gate Estates, or from somewhere like Labelle.
South Florida was a no mans land in the 1800s. Hardly anyone lived there. was mostly swamp. Hell Collier county didn't exist until the 1920s when it was formed from Lee county. Most in the southern half of the state are not native of Florida.
One thing i noticed is Florida keeps becoming more progessive espeically south Florida. Obama won FL by over 200,000 votes, and Al Bore narrowly lost FL. Southeast FL is also heavily DemocRAT now and Miami is like Hollywierd East. I still remember the liberals in Miami and that going bonkers about Al Gore not being treated fairly by the FL Supreme Court LOL.
I always stayed away from the East Coast. Looks like Florida will have a DemocRat for the next governor because Rick Scott is VERY unpopular in FL with a lot of Republicans too and Fox News isn't huge on him. Wasn't Scott's numbers earlier this summer with approval ratings in the 30%s range?
I don't see what is so bad about him. The media is just giving Scott the same treatment they gave Matt Blunt. Blunt was a great governor. Hopefully next election with DemocRats and Obama not being popular in MO we can install Peter Kinder in the governors mansion. Would be great.
Im talking the states government. Why don't they fly the Stars and Bars at the capital also? I think they all should. Georgia also did at one time until they became PC and took it down and changed their state flag as well.
You live in northern FL which still has dixie left. Go south of Central FL and especially south Florida. Most in South Florida hate dixie. in Naples, Ft Myers if you went around with a truck full of battle flag bumper stickers everyone would laugh at you and call you white trash. I hardly ever noticed Confederate flags in Collier county unless it was someone from way out in Golden Gate Estates, or from somewhere like Labelle.
South Florida was a no mans land in the 1800s. Hardly anyone lived there. was mostly swamp. Hell Collier county didn't exist until the 1920s when it was formed from Lee county. Most in the southern half of the state are not native of Florida.
One thing i noticed is Florida keeps becoming more progessive espeically south Florida. Obama won FL by over 200,000 votes, and Al Bore narrowly lost FL. Southeast FL is also heavily DemocRAT now and Miami is like Hollywierd East. I still remember the liberals in Miami and that going bonkers about Al Gore not being treated fairly by the FL Supreme Court LOL.
I always stayed away from the East Coast. Looks like Florida will have a DemocRat for the next governor because Rick Scott is VERY unpopular in FL with a lot of Republicans too and Fox News isn't huge on him. Wasn't Scott's numbers earlier this summer with approval ratings in the 30%s range?
I don't see what is so bad about him. The media is just giving Scott the same treatment they gave Matt Blunt. Blunt was a great governor. Hopefully next election with DemocRats and Obama not being popular in MO we can install Peter Kinder in the governors mansion. Would be great.
Honey, this isnt a thread about FL, and dont get me started on Voldemort, I wont sleep tonight.
Yeah because I'm sure Kinder would bother himself with such a silly subject as putting a couple Confederate flags up
During the Civil War, most who fought for the South fought for their state. The mindset of the average southerner back then was a much more decentralized version of what we have today, which is where the idea of the "Confederacy" of states came from in this context. Many in the South saw their state as their nation, to explain it in a modern day context, and the southern states were a Confederacy of these "nations", a Confederacy being a loose alliance of states. Many historians have cited this idea as being one of the contributing factors of the South's failure to win the Civil War due to lack of cohesion among the governments involved. Anyway back on topic now.....
Yeah because I'm sure Kinder would bother himself with such a silly subject as putting a couple Confederate flags up
During the Civil War, most who fought for the South fought for their state. The mindset of the average southerner back then was a much more decentralized version of what we have today, which is where the idea of the "Confederacy" of states came from in this context. Many in the South saw their state as their nation, to explain it in a modern day context, and the southern states were a Confederacy of these "nations", a Confederacy being a loose alliance of states. Many historians have cited this idea as being one of the contributing factors of the South's failure to win the Civil War due to lack of cohesion among the governments involved. Anyway back on topic now.....
Actually I noticed now most Republicans say they want to be the "party of Lincoln" again. Don't they know Lincoln was a liberal? Kinder actually said that last year!
in a article about a year or so ago Peter Kinder said that the civil war era of voting Democrat is over in Missouri and that southeast Missouri is finally switching to republican.
today however most people want bigger federal government. Look who was elected to the white house.
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Indiana does have a bit of southern element to it. They had some southern Democrat politicans during the civil war. Certainly not to the extent of MO though.
Another thing to note I notice is that people on the left coast or east coast they tend to make Missouri out to be a Redneck, bible thumper state. You don't notice that with other states like IA, Nebraska, KS, IL, IN so I mean people do know Missouri has some southern components to it. I guess due to the civil war and MO compromise.
What is funny is when I lived in FL most people didn't know jack about FL being in the Confederacy. Even most of the people up here know MO was a split state that was both Union and Confederate claimed.
KSHE why is it the state of Florida doesn't do much to honor it's Confederate heritage? I mean I know Florida only had a few civil war battles unlike MO but it was still a Confederate state. Even in the schools down there they never taught us much about it at all.
WHy does the state seem to avoid the issue? Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina seem to be more in your face about it, and not ashamed to be proud of it.
Well take that back SC removed the battle flag from the dome at the capital around the same time Bob Holden took our flags down. I wish Jay Nixon would put up the Missouri Battle flag aka the Roman Cross flag up, or at least the Missouri State Guard flag being its been 150 year aniversary.
It's odd the battle flag flew in Missouri for over 100 years until Holden had them take down. Can you imagine Warren Hearnes doing something like that? Even the egg head Mel Carnahan wasn't that stupid. Afterall Mel was a southern, and Baptist from southern MO.
Florida avoids the issue because it has a huge population that is a mix of Southerners, Northern migrants, and Latin Americans. The Northern migrants and Latin Americans collectively as a group likely outnumber the Southerners, so much so that the state has lost a huge amount of the Southern element it once had. Northern Florida, including Orlando, is unquestionably still part of the Deep South. That Florida "Cracker" element is still very much alive and well. Since Southern Florida is too impossible to identify due to its diversity, I just prefer to call Florida an "overall Southern" state, much in the same way I prefer to call Missouri an "overall Midwestern state." And Missouri retaining the battle flag that long doesn't surprise me since it was a border state in the Civil War...it likely wanted to preserve that evidence. It's also a flag that represents a region Missouri is far less associated with than it was during the Civil War. So it's being taken down doesn't really surprise me.
Florida avoids the issue because it has a huge population that is a mix of Southerners, Northern migrants, and Latin Americans. The Northern migrants and Latin Americans collectively as a group likely outnumber the Southerners, so much so that the state has lost a huge amount of the Southern element it once had. Northern Florida, including Orlando, is unquestionably still part of the Deep South. That Florida "Cracker" element is still very much alive and well. Since Southern Florida is too impossible to identify due to its diversity, I just prefer to call Florida an "overall Southern" state, much in the same way I prefer to call Missouri an "overall Midwestern state." And Missouri retaining the battle flag that long doesn't surprise me since it was a border state in the Civil War...it likely wanted to preserve that evidence. It's also a flag that represents a region Missouri is far less associated with than it was during the Civil War. So it's being taken down doesn't really surprise me.
Orlando is not part of the deep South.
I've lived here since 1989, I married an Orlando native, as soon as the Rat came to town, as my husband says, Dixie left.
I am in Ocala, and thats about as far south as the real south runs these days.
I pay a great deal of attention to things of this nature, so I can say this with a bit of authority.
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Actually I noticed now most Republicans say they want to be the "party of Lincoln" again. Don't they know Lincoln was a liberal? Kinder actually said that last year!
in a article about a year or so ago Peter Kinder said that the civil war era of voting Democrat is over in Missouri and that southeast Missouri is finally switching to republican.
today however most people want bigger federal government. Look who was elected to the white house.
The civil war era of voting in Missouri period is over, and Peter Kinder if he said that doesn't realize that the definition of "Democrat" changed almost a century ago at least. Missouri has been a swing state since 1904. It has supported the winning candidate all but twice since 1904, those two times being 2008 (in which it was very closely split like Indiana and Ohio), and in 1956. And in any event, politics has nothing to do with anything. Indiana had voted solidly Republican (in the modern sense) for over almost half a century until recently. Also, the Ku Klux Klan had a very powerful presence in much of Indiana during the the first half of the 20th century...I'm even talking about the Northern parts. They literally dominated Indiana politics for quite some time. They even had a Klan governor. The KKK had their headquarters there. Yet people are willing to overlook that since obviously this didn't necessarily make it Southern. Yet those certainly are not weak Southern elements. A good chunk of the Southern half of Indiana has very strong Southern influences, even Granitestater has acknowledged this, everything from the accent to the culture. Between Indianapolis and Louisville is the same cultural transition from St. Louis to just south of Cape Girardeau.
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Orlando is not part of the deep South.
I've lived here since 1989, I married an Orlando native, as soon as the Rat came to town, as my husband says, Dixie left.
I am in Ocala, and thats about as far south as the real south runs these days.
I pay a great deal of attention to things of this nature, so I can say this with a bit of authority.
I guess what I saw on a City Confidential episode once (on A&E) was that Orlando outside of Disney World still had a very very very strong Bible Belt mentality to it, and that the people that were natives on that show spoke in quite noticeable Deep South accents, so I honestly thought I had an idea. It wasn't just two natives I heard, it was more like five or six out of a sample of 7 natives. I have never actually been there myself, so I guess that 1% chance that a good sample doesn't tell the truth happened to me. The reason I say this is because I generally view you as 100% credible and agreeable to. Disney World has definitely eroded the Southern culture of the Orlando though, no question. Florida as a state has become such a popular tourist attraction that residents originally from out-of-state likely are a very high percentage of the population. Florida as a whole state was once definitively Southern. Including its legitimately earned place on the Confederate flag.
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