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Old 09-21-2009, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Finally escaped The People's Republic of California
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Well, I'm hardly rich. I'm fortunate enough to have a good job with good benefits. I can't afford acreage here in California though, even now with the realestate prices in the outhouse...
15 years ago, I would have probally told you I'd live here forever, I can be in the Beautiful Sierra mountains in 2 hours, on the Ocean in 1.5 hours. I'm within an hour of several great places to fish, and I've lived here my entire life, as has my wife. Over the last 15 years it has gotten so crowded, so liberal, so dirty, so regulated, So Un-American I feel I have to leave upon retirement.....Now don't get me wrong, California still has some great things, perfect weather for a working man, The Sierra's, Hiway 1 driving along the coast, pretty girls etc etc
But for me and my wife the negatives now outweigh the positives by quite a bit.
2156 Days to go
or 308 weeks
or 71 months

 
Old 09-21-2009, 11:19 PM
 
Location: University City
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I myself, as a native Californian have moved to the Midwest after suffering the never ending liberalism that grips that state for most of my life. I moved "back" to the Midwest because that is where my parents are from...and most of my family lives here. I moved back to the Midwest because for all of the Midwest's issues, and there are many...it is nowhere NEAR as bad a California. California sadly has been ruined, ruined in so many ways...
In so many ways California has ceased to even be part of America...Well I like living in America and so I had to move back to where America is still America....and where it's not only O.K. to like being an American...in America....but to where it is seen as a good thing...something POSITIVE!
When I bump into other middle of the road to conservative Californians where ever I find them...(and yes there is such a thing...) ...Californians who like myself have given up on trying to "save" California and have made the painful choice to abandon the place for better living elsewhere....I welcome them....However...when I bump into LIBERAL Californians...(oddly most of whom are NOT native born Californians...but transplants themselves...) I encourage them to STAY in California. What's more...when I bump into liberals in any other state (regardless of where they're from) but particularly the Midwest... I encourage them in the strongest possible language to MOVE TO CALIFORNIA...or some other suitable place for liberals...socialists...communists... perverts, sex offenders etc.
The most biting irony is the liberals from California who are leaving the state they ruined to carry on their foolishness in other parts of the country by imposing their twisted anti-values attitudes at every possible opportunity. I NEVER welcome these people...
And a word to the wise....be VERY wary VERY concerned when recent arrivals from California start getting involved in Local Government, the PTA, school board, City Councils etc. If you let this happen...if you choose not to get involved to protect your communities and keep them the way you like them....work to preserve them the way they are...the way they've happily always been...then the Californians will change them for you into something much less pleasant...
Midwesterners don't really like when someone is for all purposes shouting their opinion, especially when littered with catch phrases...Liberal, Conservative, whatever. We find it discrediting, instinctive alarm bells go off.

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Old 09-23-2009, 06:23 AM
 
Location: SE Missouri
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You didnt offend me, you puzzled me!
As far as enjoying Florida, thats impossible, this beautiful state has been ruined by overdevelopment, and rapacious greed. I dont know how, or when the economy will ever recover.
of course!

well, so far as florida goes...i've not much experience there, but my sister has visited a few times and really likes it down there. sounds like your experience there is pretty much on par with many others though.

sorrry if i was a bit harsh in my previous posts...just call 'em like i see it, and opinionated, obviously.

i love mo too, but the same with ca. i hear fla west is nice? never been there tho. you're near the ocean so it's gotta be nice .
 
Old 09-23-2009, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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of course!

well, so far as florida goes...i've not much experience there, but my sister has visited a few times and really likes it down there. sounds like your experience there is pretty much on par with many others though.

sorrry if i was a bit harsh in my previous posts...just call 'em like i see it, and opinionated, obviously.

i love mo too, but the same with ca. i hear fla west is nice? never been there tho. you're near the ocean so it's gotta be nice .
I've been here 20 years, and have seen so much senseless development, destruction of wetlands, and so forth, it would just make yiou cry!
I live on the Ocklawaha River on the edge of the Ocala National Forest, very beautiful "old" Florida.......but now the powers that be want to take the water from this beautiful river and divert it to Orlando and Jacksonville, I am very worried about what will happen
Yes, I do go to the beach, but only after September, too many tourists!
 
Old 09-24-2009, 09:25 PM
 
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Wow, I actually agree with you on something.

Many people don't realize just how purple of a state Missouri is. You have to remember that McCain only won Missouri by 6,000 votes...the closest of any state in the country. The conservative-liberal balance keeps Missouri a balanced state, and the politicians more honest than more one-sided states, IMO, and is another reason why I like this state so much.
Interesting observation...it may keep them honest but how effective is it? It can get pretty frustrating losing issues like Prop M by a narrow margin.

Comparably are we in any better shape than the next state because of our purple status? I'm all for balance but it is something to think about. I have been less than impressed with Nixon thus far. Letting Linda Martinez go, yet to sign off on the 12 million for the China Hub. No real support for mass transit either.

Stubbornly so I would've liked to have a few more liberals to influence Jeff City on St. Louis' behalf. I'm not sure how conservatism in Missouri works.

So yes my question is, does purple create more honesty in our leadership or does it lead to trying to please everyone and being less effective?

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Old 09-24-2009, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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...So yes my question is, does purple create more honesty in our leadership or does it lead to trying to please everyone and being less effective?
the local politicians (HOUSE) still answer to their core constituency, Its good to see that both our senators are rational centrists that represent each party.

Although it hasn't shown up around here, I am deeply concerned how the extreme right has become so irrational and paranoid. Although I consider myself a liberal, deep down I believe in the core principals of the republican party of Personal responsibility and limited government. When reasoning takes over, both sides can bring their best ideas to the table. That's how it is supposed to work. Reality is so much different. When reasoning and civility break down and displaced by hate, ignorance and division (on both sides) we are just asking for a world of hurt.
 
Old 09-25-2009, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Branson Area
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Default Interesting posts...

I'm originally from California. Born raised there. We were suppose to dislike people from OK, MO, Nebraska, and Kansas....they came with the dust bowl. Up until I was an adult, you seldom ran across a "native" Californian...they were always from somewhere else in the U.S. Even before I left the state, the majority of my friends and colleagues were not from CA. Now it's the illegal Mexicans and that has spilled into the latino community in general.

Then I lived in Nevada. NEVER had the sense that anyone hated Californians. But then "they" would have to hate people from New Jersey, New York, Florida, Illinois, and Texas too...cause there were a lot of people escaping something...taxes, snow, high cost of living.

Now I live in Mo. I have meet many people who are from there and from other states, in particular AZ, Illinois, Ohio, Iowa, Kansas, OK...more than from CA.

What I would like to know is "who" hates Californians? I haven't run into anyone in person who seems to "hate" people from CA. But we all dislike people who begin a sentence with "Well, back in ____ we did it this way" (fill in the state of your choice.). I know Trader Joe's has been mentioned as something "Californians" want to change several times, but if you go on TJ's website, you'll see that they are in many states in the U.S. INCLUDING MO.
And I haven't heard anyone want to move it to a rural town. Sorry guys...Springfield isn't really rural.

I don't think it's a matter of anyone from any state wanting to change the area into something else....anyway I haven't read anything that would lead me to believe that. However, I have read several people wistfully wish some store or ammenity were in the area.

So, I don't hate anyone from anywhere....and I don't want this area to become little CA, little Iowa, little Florida, etc...But I would like to hear people specifically mention the "thing" they hate, not just lump a huge population with different backgrounds and often originally from other states into one big lump of "hate".

And while I'm on the soapbox....before anyone hates something they really should go see what it is they are hating. An awful lot of sterotyping going on here. And is anyone from another state, currently living in this state, an expert on who should be hated? Maybe we should all dislike anyone born in another state.....Georgia? Oregon? They all have weirdo's too.

Okay...let me have it
 
Old 09-25-2009, 06:23 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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I'm originally from California. Born raised there. We were suppose to dislike people from OK, MO, Nebraska, and Kansas....they came with the dust bowl. Up until I was an adult, you seldom ran across a "native" Californian...they were always from somewhere else in the U.S. Even before I left the state, the majority of my friends and colleagues were not from CA. Now it's the illegal Mexicans and that has spilled into the latino community in general.

Then I lived in Nevada. NEVER had the sense that anyone hated Californians. But then "they" would have to hate people from New Jersey, New York, Florida, Illinois, and Texas too...cause there were a lot of people escaping something...taxes, snow, high cost of living.

Now I live in Mo. I have meet many people who are from there and from other states, in particular AZ, Illinois, Ohio, Iowa, Kansas, OK...more than from CA.

What I would like to know is "who" hates Californians? I haven't run into anyone in person who seems to "hate" people from CA. But we all dislike people who begin a sentence with "Well, back in ____ we did it this way" (fill in the state of your choice.). I know Trader Joe's has been mentioned as something "Californians" want to change several times, but if you go on TJ's website, you'll see that they are in many states in the U.S. INCLUDING MO.
And I haven't heard anyone want to move it to a rural town. Sorry guys...Springfield isn't really rural.

I don't think it's a matter of anyone from any state wanting to change the area into something else....anyway I haven't read anything that would lead me to believe that. However, I have read several people wistfully wish some store or ammenity were in the area.

So, I don't hate anyone from anywhere....and I don't want this area to become little CA, little Iowa, little Florida, etc...But I would like to hear people specifically mention the "thing" they hate, not just lump a huge population with different backgrounds and often originally from other states into one big lump of "hate".

And while I'm on the soapbox....before anyone hates something they really should go see what it is they are hating. An awful lot of sterotyping going on here. And is anyone from another state, currently living in this state, an expert on who should be hated? Maybe we should all dislike anyone born in another state.....Georgia? Oregon? They all have weirdo's too.

Okay...let me have it
Hear! Hear! Also a native Californian, as is my wife, and in the week and a half since we've moved here we've yet to meet a neighbor originally from Missouri. Perhaps it's just where we chose to settle but there doesn't appear to be any stigma attached to being from somewhere else; not even from California.

Let's face it, we're all here because we want to be so we already have that in common. There was something that compelled us to leave our home states and settle where we are now.

Having lived in eight other states and three other countries I made a knowing choice to settle in the Ozarks of SW MO and it's home to us now -- a home we value, enjoy and appreciate.

We couldn't care less where people are from. All we care about is that they're good and considerate neighbors. So far that's all we've found.
 
Old 09-27-2009, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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I don't think it's a matter of anyone from any state wanting to change the area into something else....anyway I haven't read anything that would lead me to believe that. However, I have read several people wistfully wish some store or ammenity were in the area.

So, I don't hate anyone from anywhere....and I don't want this area to become little CA, little Iowa, little Florida, etc...But I would like to hear people specifically mention the "thing" they hate, not just lump a huge population with different backgrounds and often originally from other states into one big lump of "hate".

And while I'm on the soapbox....before anyone hates something they really should go see what it is they are hating. An awful lot of sterotyping going on here. And is anyone from another state, currently living in this state, an expert on who should be hated? Maybe we should all dislike anyone born in another state.....Georgia? Oregon? They all have weirdo's too.

Okay...let me have it
My dream amenity would be to have my state of residence (when I leave California) contain an Italian Cottage and a Marie Calendar's. Those were the best, but I didn't need to wish too long or too hard, because at least they put in a Marie Calendar's in Denver.

About the California stereotype, I remember when I went to CO I was jokingly called a "Yankee", although I had no idea what it meant at the time. And the family we have from Jasper, TX along with acquaintances from Lufkin, TX and surrounding areas--they pretty much hate California for whatever reason. Very cliquish there. A local attorney told me that "a lot of things in California aren't the way they should be" and he and his colleagues call California the "land of fruit and nuts".
 
Old 09-29-2009, 04:44 PM
 
Location: RoMo
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My $.02 is that the disdain for "Californians" is not really against Californians in particular, but for those people who, as mrschilicook said, "... begin a sentence with "Well, back in ____ we did it this way" (fill in the state of your choice.)." And that will rub people the wrong way, no matter where you live. I haven't run into that type of person very often in my life (thankfully!). I did know a family that moved here to Rolla from Washington state, and while they never actually said the words, we all knew that they felt like they were coming to "rescue" us "poor hillbillies". LOL Needless to say, they only lived here a few years before moving on, once they realized that we didn't need "rescuing".

I have two friends who both moved here to MO from California, one of them in the late 1970's and the other in the early 1990's. Both have said that they were under the impression that they were moving to the wilderness, and that we couldn't possibly have running water or electricity, let alone computers, out here! Of course, they quickly found out how wrong they were, and both of them and their families fit in just fine.

An observation regarding finding "native" Missourians...it is probably getting harder and harder to find natives in any state when you consider how mobile our society is now. My mom was born and raised here in MO, but my dad is originally from OH, and that is where my brother and I were born. But since I was only four years old when we moved from OH to MO, I consider myself a Missourian. This is where I fit in...and where I am close to what matters most to me on this earth. (My family, not shopping or Starbucks. )

And as a final, humorous note...I married a Californian! (But it's okay...he was twelve when his family moved here, and they all fit in here better than they ever would in CA! LOL)
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