Missouri...Southern or Midwestern? (St. Louis, Poplar Bluff: high crime, nicest, warmest)

[pw72]

Originally Posted by onegoalstl

Wrong. Even parts of St. Louis county are hilly when you drive west on I44 going southwest bound.

Absolutely. It is one of those geographic surprises driving into St. Louis from the southwest on I-44. You think it is going to be flat all the way, until the last 20 miles you suddenly drive through some fairly mountainous (for the midwest, anyway), highway into the metro. It is one of those things that makes you respect the topography and geography of our country.

[GunnerTHB]

Originally Posted by jonsereed

a narrow strip along the Arkansas border looks hilly, most of the state does not

good modern maps dont lie, people do

So that 100+ mile "strip" between places like Rolla & the Arkansas border is a "Narrow strip"? Cause not one damn bit of it is flat.

Once again, the only part of Southern Missouri that is flat is the bootheel. Period.

[GunnerTHB]

Originally Posted by onegoalstl

Agree. Even St. Louis weather isn't really harsh when compared to other Midwest cities like Indy, Cincinnatti, KC, Cleveland who all have colder average temps. It has not gotten below zero since 1999 in Stl. Those 1970s and 80s winters are not the norm. Our snows in the winter also don't stay on the ground as long as other midwest cities.

Also I don't like to use the whole generalization of sub tropical. When I think of sub tropics I think of Florida, southern Georgia, southern AL, MS who all have palm trees. Don't see many palms in the ozarks or TN lol.

Well subtropical doesn't necessarily mean palm trees lol. I can go down to my pond and find a few cactus plants & 30 miles south of here I can look at swamps full of cypress trees. That's not a "cold, continental climate" by any means.

On a related note our heat index is gonna be about 115 tomorrow, and I get to work outside

[onegoalstl]

It does seem once you hit Cape Girardeau the weather seems to be a lot warmer than areas to the north. I remember driving to FL in Oct one year and how all the trees were getting to have nice fall colors until we hit Cape, and most of the trees were green still. Plus when you get into Cape Girardeau county it seemed to quickly change into a Southern feel than areas to the north.

It would be interesting if this forum was around in lets say 1920. I think the argument about MO being more southern would be a lot more valid than it is today. It seems the last 70 years or so is when MO really started to lose southerness one could argue.

In the early 1900s they nearly passed a poll tax in MO, and when they were designing our state flag the lawmakers almost incorporated the Roman Cross (MO confederate battle flag) as part of it but scrapped the idea.

The same thing has happend if Florida as well. To find southerness down there you have to go into those small, inland towns, or live in North Florida. I lived in SW Florida for 10 years and didn't hear a bit of southern accent, or see very many rebel flags unless you go to places like Everglades City, Clewiston, Labelle. In Ft. Myres, Naples if one went around flying a battle flag they would think you're white trash and laugh. My High School maybe had less than ten Rednecks and most people hated anything to do with redneck stuff and would make fun of it.

the same can be said for parts of northern VA as well, and Maryland has lost most of its southerness.

i consider Missouri much more southern than Maryland.

[kshe95girl]

Originally Posted by GunnerTHB

Well subtropical doesn't necessarily mean palm trees lol. I can go down to my pond and find a few cactus plants & 30 miles south of here I can look at swamps full of cypress trees. That's not a "cold, continental climate" by any means.

On a related note our heat index is gonna be about 115 tomorrow, and I get to work outside

Funny that you mention cacti....
For those of you familiar with Butler County, my moms side of the family has a cemetery there off of old 60, between FF and CC highways, or between Broseley and Fisk.
Find A Grave: Vale Cemetery
There are numerous cacti there, which are the bane of my existence!

[GunnerTHB]

Originally Posted by kshe95girl

Funny that you mention cacti....
For those of you familiar with Butler County, my moms side of the family has a cemetery there off of old 60, between FF and CC highways, or between Broseley and Fisk.
Find A Grave: Vale Cemetery
There are numerous cacti there, which are the bane of my existence!

Yeah, there are a whole bunch of them down there at Sikeston on the rodeo grounds.

[onegoalstl]

Originally Posted by kshe95girl

Funny that you mention cacti....
For those of you familiar with Butler County, my moms side of the family has a cemetery there off of old 60, between FF and CC highways, or between Broseley and Fisk.
Find A Grave: Vale Cemetery
There are numerous cacti there, which are the bane of my existence!

Do you consider yourself a southerner since they're from the South "Butler County"?

[kshe95girl]

Originally Posted by onegoalstl

Do you consider yourself a southerner since they're from the South "Butler County"?

My mamas family is from Fisk, my dads family is from South St Louis.
I grew up in Sainte Genevieve after we moved from STL in 72, when I was 10.
I lived in the Bluff for 2 years after I was an adult, and hated every moment of it.
What do you think I consider myself?

[SW Missouri Dave]

Originally Posted by kshe95girl

My mamas family is from Fisk, my dads family is from South St Louis.
I grew up in Sainte Genevieve after we moved from STL in 72, when I was 10.
I lived in the Bluff for 2 years after I was an adult, and hated every moment of it.
What do you think I consider myself?

American??

[kshe95girl]

Originally Posted by SW Missouri Dave

American??

And after that, a Missourian!