08-04-2011, 01:02 AM
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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I dunno ROlla just feels strange and not fully midwestern. Thats why I used upland like southern Indiana and northern parts of northern KY and maybe parts of WV.
And you have spent years living in the areas that you mentioned, so you feel as though you are qualified to compare them?
I lived for 5 years in Northern KY, and I wouldnt even begin to compare it to say, Poplar Bluff.....PB is much, much more southern.
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And you have spent years living in the areas that you mentioned, so you feel as though you are qualified to compare them?
I lived for 5 years in Northern KY, and I wouldnt even begin to compare it to say, Poplar Bluff.....PB is much, much more southern.
What part of northern KY. Yea I would say Poplar Bluff is much more southern than northern KY which has more midwestern flavor. PB is the south. I work with a guy from there and you can tell teh minute he speaks he's from the south.
Now if this were lets say 1900 even. I would say there could be a even more argument in more parts of Missouri being southern or not.
At the state level in the early 1900s Missouri outside St. Louis was largely southern thinking politics wise. Southern Democrats aka as the "Confederate Faction" had a lot of say in Jefferson City. They nearly got a poll tax and voting literacy tax passed as well as a box car segregation bill nearly passed as well. Both were narrowly defeated because of St. Louis politicians and Stl democrats not voting on the bills.
Another interesting aspect back then when the politicians were coming up for state flag designs in the early 1900s they almost went with putting the Roman cross from the Missouri Confederate Battle flag in the state flag as well, but that was later scrapped and they went with Marie Elizabeth Watkins Oliver design. It's actually mentioned in a couple books I've seen on Google books about the history of Missouri. PBS also did a story on MO segregation once and mentioned the early 1900s was the height when segregation stuff was being passed and attempted to pass in MO.
I just have to wonder if that poll tax bill passed in the early 1900s, Missouri probably would have been a more known battle ground state during the civil rights movement. As Democrats controlled state politics most of the time, but like Kentucky, Republicans were able to win the governers mansion and seats sometimes. The Republicans were the more liberal party back then and St. Louis always usually voted Republican or New Deal Democrats.
With the voting literacy and poll tax large number of KC and St. Louis people wouldn't been able to vote, and the southern democrat wing of Jefferson City would control politics, and at the Federal level would have allowed segregationist Democrats to have a decent shot at winning Missouri.
However some of Missouri's congressmen were segregationist and voted against the civil rights act. Senator Symington who always boasted about Missouri southern roots on the campaign trail sold out to St. Louis liberals, Long was a bit more conservative and also voted for the act still. I think 5 congressmen from Missouri voted against the act. The urban St. Louis ones voted for it, while the rural ones voted against the civil rights act more.
So if you look our states history a lot of things could be different today if some things happend differently in the last 100 or so years. I think we would be compared to Kentucky more today if Missouri didnt become so midwesternized by inudustry. St. Louis is a big factor in why Missouri is considered mostly midwestern today. Politics wise Missouri was similar to Kentucky in a lot of ways during the civil rights movement. Both classic border states. whos politicians were mixed on it. However Missouri had more of a dixiecrat element to it than Kentucky did due to Southeast Missouri cotton county. Warren Hearnes was a segregationist from the bootheel up until he aspired to become governer and the St. Louis liberals told him he would have to change his views in order to become governer.
Maryland has been bastarized by the northeast. Except for small parts of the Eastern Shore there is not a lot southern about it. Even in 1861 it wasn't as southern as Missouri and I know their politicians were jailed because of worry of secession, most historians agree they didn't have nearly enough votes to seceede anyways, unlike Missouri whos most of their lawmakers were pro confederate, but were ran out of Jeff City before they were able to make a official ordinance on their own. If General Lyon was stopped sooner, I think MO would still be called a southern state today as we would have been officially seceeded most likely. Claibs even told Jefferson Davis after camp jackson that to give MO 30 days to seceeded, but that never happend as Lyon's route was on. MO was close to seceeding. Even my one history book said out of all the border states, MO was the closet to leaving the union. Although I disagree because IMO Gov Jackson was never legally impeached same with the lawmakers so I consider the nesho convention valid.
08-04-2011, 02:37 AM
Location: Table Rock Lake - MO/AR Ozarks
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The Ozarks are a region separate from the Midwest or South, but with influences from both. Rolla, being on I-44, doesn't feel very southern to me at all.
Hear, Hear!
08-04-2011, 01:23 PM
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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They nearly got a poll tax and voting literacy tax passed as well as a box car segregation bill nearly passed as well. Both were narrowly defeated because of St. Louis politicians and Stl democrats not voting on the bills.
.................
PBS also did a story on MO segregation once and mentioned the early 1900s was the height when segregation stuff was being passed and attempted to pass in MO.
I just have to wonder if that poll tax bill passed in the early 1900s, Missouri probably would have been a more known battle ground state during the civil rights movement. As Democrats controlled state politics most of the time, but like Kentucky, Republicans were able to win the governers mansion and seats sometimes. The Republicans were the more liberal party back then and St. Louis always usually voted Republican or New Deal Democrats.
With the voting literacy and poll tax large number of KC and St. Louis people wouldn't been able to vote, and the southern democrat wing of Jefferson City would control politics, and at the Federal level would have allowed segregationist Democrats to have a decent shot at winning Missouri.
However some of Missouri's congressmen were segregationist and voted against the civil rights act. Senator Symington who always boasted about Missouri southern roots on the campaign trail sold out to St. Louis liberals, Long was a bit more conservative and also voted for the act still. I think 5 congressmen from Missouri voted against the act. The urban St. Louis ones voted for it, while the rural ones voted against the civil rights act more.
So if you look our states history a lot of things could be different today if some things happend differently in the last 100 or so years. I think we would be compared to Kentucky more today if Missouri didnt become so midwesternized by inudustry. St. Louis is a big factor in why Missouri is considered mostly midwestern today. Politics wise Missouri was similar to Kentucky in a lot of ways during the civil rights movement. Both classic border states. whos politicians were mixed on it. However Missouri had more of a dixiecrat element to it than Kentucky did due to Southeast Missouri cotton county. Warren Hearnes was a segregationist from the bootheel up until he aspired to become governer and the St. Louis liberals told him he would have to change his views in order to become governer.
Maryland has been bastarized by the northeast. Except for small parts of the Eastern Shore there is not a lot southern about it. Even in 1861 it wasn't as southern as Missouri and I know their politicians were jailed because of worry of secession, most historians agree they didn't have nearly enough votes to seceede anyways, unlike Missouri whos most of their lawmakers were pro confederate, but were ran out of Jeff City before they were able to make a official ordinance on their own. If General Lyon was stopped sooner, I think MO would still be called a southern state today as we would have been officially seceeded most likely. Claibs even told Jefferson Davis after camp jackson that to give MO 30 days to seceeded, but that never happend as Lyon's route was on. MO was close to seceeding. Even my one history book said out of all the border states, MO was the closet to leaving the union. Although I disagree because IMO Gov Jackson was never legally impeached same with the lawmakers so I consider the nesho convention valid.
you know... nearly this entire post glorifies what **I** consider to be an ugly and shameful period of history..... jim crow laws, poll taxes, voting literacy requirrements, stars and bars....every single one of them designed to keep one race inequal to another..... not a single thing to be proud of or romanticize, imo ....
So if you look our states history a lot of things could be different today if some things happend differently in the last 100 or so years.
This statement is applicable to ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING in the world today...... NOT just how southern or racist or seccessionist Missouri is or is not.....
08-04-2011, 04:13 PM
Location: MO
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I dunno ROlla just feels strange and not fully midwestern. Thats why I used upland like southern Indiana and northern parts of northern KY and maybe parts of WV.
Rolla does feel different and isn't fully midwestern. It's also (and primarily) Ozarkian.
08-04-2011, 05:57 PM
Location: Tippecanoe County, Indiana
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Rolla does feel different and isn't fully midwestern. It's also (and primarily) Ozarkian.
It has a stronger hills culture element, just like southern Indiana.
08-07-2011, 03:16 AM
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It has a stronger hills culture element, just like southern Indiana.
I cant see how you can compare the Ozarks to southern Indiana.
08-07-2011, 12:24 PM
Location: Tippecanoe County, Indiana
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I cant see how you can compare the Ozarks to southern Indiana.
Hmm, have you ever been to southern Indiana?
08-08-2011, 12:41 PM
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Hmm, have you ever been to southern Indiana?
I have, and I dont get it, either.
08-08-2011, 02:59 PM
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I have, and I dont get it, either.
Driven near there.
Now the Ozarks starting just north of US 60 on down to Arkansas is a lot more southern than southern Indiana lol. US60 is in the south.
The bootheel, and I mean the 3 southernmost Bootheel counties of New Madrid, Pemiscott, and Dunklin county is more southern than probably any part of KY. That is delta, deep southish like MS.
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Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)