Missouri...Southern or Midwestern? (Kansas City, St. Louis: credit, legally, horse)

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by breeze823

You are such a stickler on our nations borders that they should put you on border security

hehehe I actually wouldn't mind that, I hear it pays well, and I love financial power, especially when it could belong to me

[missouri guh314]

missouri does have lots of southern qualities to it. so ima gonna declare it a southern midwest state

[missouri guh314]

Originally Posted by florida southerner 3

The Modern South (Dixie Land) technically consists of 17 states plus the District of Columbia:

The Lower (Deep) South-7 states:

South Carolina
Mississippi
Florida
Alabama
Georgia
Louisiana
Texas

The Middle (Mid) South-4 states:

Virginia
Arkansas
Tennessee
North Carolina

The Upper (Border) South-6 states:

Delaware
Maryland
West Virginia
Kentucky
Missouri
Oklahoma

The Confederate South (Dixie Land) consisted of 13 states-hence the 13 stars on the Confederate flag:

South Carolina
Mississippi
Florida
Alabama
Georgia
Louisiana
Texas
Virginia
Arkansas
Tennessee
North Carolina
Missouri
Kentucky

Missouri, culturally is divided, but since Missouri is one single state and it did in effect secede and is givin an honorary star on the Confederate Flag, it is technically a Southern state. Just like Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio are Northern states with plenty of Southern culture in their Southern areas, Missouri is a Southern state with plenty of Northern culture in it's Northern areas. The central areas are a blend of the two. The Midwest is a region of the North. Missouri, as was stated, did more or less side with the South. It's below the Mason-Dixon Line. It's a Soutehrn state.

thank u

[autumngal]

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[northbayeric]

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[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by northbayeric

We are most fortunate to have ShadowCaver and Autumngal (not to mention Plains10, Boof and da jammer) as City-Data moderators! Thanks to you guys for keeping us on an even keel--me especially! We can get pretty passionate about a lot of stuff, expected and not so expected.

So just a brief post to thank our mods for the good, hard work they do here! They often have to walk a diplomatic tightrope in seeing to it that the rest of us stay faithful to the C-D terms of service.

Well, this thread will continue to remain open as long as all you posters are civil.

[missouri guh314]

Originally Posted by Northwoods Voyager

I am merely adding my reduced two cents to this thread. Since there does seem to be a some question about being Southern or Midwestern maybe we should just refer to Missouri as being MidSouthern Perhaps that would satisfy all of us.

I like to think of Missouri as being Southern. But then again, that is just my personal preference and it has nothing to do with lines drawn anywhere. But I do agree with those that have done their research and use the Mason Dixon line to establish Missouri as a Southern state

I agree 100%

[Colddiamond102]

Originally Posted by florida southerner 3

The Modern South (Dixie Land) technically consists of 17 states plus the District of Columbia:

The Lower (Deep) South-7 states:

South Carolina
Mississippi
Florida- NOT Southern anymore except for geographical location! We've disowned ya'll. Too many Cubans and Snow Birds live there now.
Alabama
Georgia
Louisiana-
Texas

The Middle (Mid) South-4 states:

Virginia
Arkansas
Tennessee
North Carolina

The Upper (Border) South-6 states:

Delaware- Again, geographical location ONLY. They did NOT fight with us in the War of Northern Agression. They were on the side of the North.
Maryland- Sided with the North
West Virginia- Also sided with the North.
Kentucky
Missouri- voted to stay with the Union, but ended up fighting
Oklahoma- Where in the Blue blazes do the Okies come in on this?!

The Confederate South (Dixie Land) consisted of 13 states-hence the 13 stars on the Confederate flag:

South Carolina
Mississippi
Florida
Alabama
Georgia
Louisiana
Texas
Virginia
Arkansas
Tennessee
North Carolina
Missouri-
Kentucky

Missouri, culturally is divided, but since Missouri is one single state and it did in effect secede and is givin an honorary star on the Confederate Flag, it is technically a Southern state. Just like Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio are Northern states with plenty of Southern culture in their Southern areas, Missouri is a Southern state with plenty of Northern culture in it's Northern areas. The central areas are a blend of the two. The Midwest is a region of the North. Missouri, as was stated, did more or less side with the South. It's below the Mason-Dixon Line. It's a Soutehrn state.

Just because you're behind the Mason-Dixon line, doesnt mean people who know their history wont call you a Yankee.

Delaware to me= Yankee.

[Bobilee]

Colddiamond102, like many Southerners, you really don't know much about West Virginia history. But I don't blame you, it's very complicated. I will just say that West Virginia was split about 50/50 during the Civil War, WBTS. It was the most Confederate of the border states. Some historians, like James Carter Linger who wrote "Confederate Military Units of West Virginia", believe that Confederate WV outnumbered Union WV. AJF131 is familiar with this map, but you may not be. It's the counties of WV that voted for Secession. I know this is about Missouri, and I will butt out now. Just wanted to correct some false history.

[Colddiamond102]

Originally Posted by Bobilee

Colddiamond102, like many Southerners, you really don't know much about West Virginia history. But I don't blame you, it's very complicated. I will just say that West Virginia was split about 50/50 during the Civil War, WBTS. It was the most Confederate of the border states. Some historians, like James Carter Linger who wrote "Confederate Military Units of West Virginia", believe that Confederate WV outnumbered Union WV. AJF131 is familiar with this map, but you may not be. It's the counties of WV that voted for Secession. I know this is about Missouri, and I will butt out now. Just wanted to correct some false history.

I made my statement based on the fact that the establishment of West Virginia came from resistance to join the Confederacy. Until the War, its history was linked with Virginia.
While it DID supply soldiers to the Confederacy, according to the below site it supplied more troops to the Union than to the South.
Therefore I think it sided with the Union more.

Both WV and Missouri straddled the fence on the issue. All fence-straddlers are open to suspicion, otherwise the current debate about Missouri would not be here!

West Virginia in the Civil War