Missouri...Southern or Midwestern? (St. Louis, Springfield: firm, cities, climate)

[Bobilee]

No, WV was created by an act of Congress, not by the people of WV. I can quote from a member of the Unionist government in Wheeling on the Statehood vote, Mr. Stuart of Doddridge County in Dec. 1861-"Now Mr. President, to show you, and it needs but to look at the figures to satisfy the mind of every member-that even a majority of the people within the district composed of the thirty-nine counties [at that time] have never come to the polls and expressed their sentiments in favor of a new state. In a voting population of 40,000 or 50,000 we see a poll of only 17,627, and even some of them were in the [Union] army".

That website you posted is not trustworthy, it is based on the old Morgantown historians, who are discredited, thanks to Richard O. Curry's "A House Divided", which you might want to read if you are interested in WV history. The Wikipedia article on WV is actually fairly accurate.
History of West Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I noticed you didn't include Kentucky among your fence-sitters. But I don't want to clog a Missouri thread with WV stuff. If you want to send me a private message I can give you whatever info you need.

On a side note, you might like to know that 1000 WV boys from Wise's Legion came down to SC to help you out. That's how Gen. Lee got his horse "Traveller", from a Major Broun of Charleston (WV, not SC).

[ShadowCaver]

Good grief,,, and here us hillbillies from and in the Ozarks was thinkin' that it was only our own beloved state that had such a complex!!! Interesting history that is woven in this world - frustrating yet that different perspectives and histories exist about the same plots of land.

BTW, ya's West Virginians, East Virginians, South and Norte Carolinaians, yas are always welcome in these hollers. Now w/ that said, lets get back to the fun debate of to what degree Missouree is north, south, midwestern, and/or just plain

[missouri guh314]

I read that Missouri did succeed to the confederacy. This is what I believe.
On October 30, 1861 in the town of Neosho, Jackson called the exiled state legislature into session where they enacted a secession ordinance. It was recognized by the Confederate congress, and Missouri was admitted into the Confederacy on November 28.

[OA 5599]

Originally Posted by missouri guh314

I read that Missouri did succeed to the confederacy. This is what I believe.
On October 30, 1861 in the town of Neosho, Jackson called the exiled state legislature into session where they enacted a secession ordinance. It was recognized by the Confederate congress, and Missouri was admitted into the Confederacy on November 28.

Neosho was the home of a false state government. The real state government still was operating in Jefferson City. The one in Neosho was started by pro-secession people, and was not the legitimate state government of Missouri.

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by missouri guh314

I read that Missouri did succeed to the confederacy. This is what I believe.
On October 30, 1861 in the town of Neosho, Jackson called the exiled state legislature into session where they enacted a secession ordinance. It was recognized by the Confederate congress, and Missouri was admitted into the Confederacy on November 28.

Not true. Missouri did not legally secede, because the state constitutional convention, which is not the same as the state legislature, voted solidly against secession. Only 20 or so of the members of that convention fled with the government to Neosho...the government did not secede in the way that the legitimate Confederate states did. In effect, they "pretended" to secede. And far more Missourians supported the Union cause than the Confederate cause. Those who did not, such as Jesse James, didn't because the Federal troops ferociously and unnecessarily tortured and killed their families without provocation....anybody would've fought against them under those circumstances. THe government essentially seceded without an approval of the state convention. THe state convention was pro-Union and remained that way throughout the Civil War. For every truly Confederate state, the state convention voted to secede. Missouri never even came close to voting for secession in that regard.

[missouri guh314]

i think missouri can be southern cuz i heard people from O' Fallon, MO speakin with a southern accent

[GraniteStater]

Northwest MO= Plains
Northeast & North-central MO= Midwest
St. Louis Metro= Midwest
Kansas City Metro= Plains, Midwest
Central MO= Midwest, Ozarks
SW MO= Midwest, Upper South, Ozarks.
South-Central MO= Ozarks, Upper South
SE MO= Upper South
South of STL= Ozarks, Midwest, Upper South

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

Northwest MO= Plains
Northeast & North-central MO= Midwest
St. Louis Metro= Midwest
Kansas City Metro= Plains, Midwest
Central MO= Midwest, Ozarks
SW MO= Midwest, Upper South, Ozarks.
South-Central MO= Ozarks, Upper South
SE MO= Upper South
South of STL= Ozarks, Midwest, Upper South

I agree with all of your classifications except south of STL. The Upper South is not south of STL...the Upper South IMO is south of Cape Girardeau. South of STL is the just the Midwest and the Ozarks.

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by missouri guh314

i think missouri can be southern cuz i heard people from O' Fallon, MO speakin with a southern accent

Maybe they were not originally from there, it's possible they are transplanted Southerners. Just because you hear a Southern accent in a place doesn't make that place Southern. I have friends from O'Fallon and St. Charles that speak with perfectly flat accents. I know several guys that have lived in O'Fallon for over 60 years, born and raised there...they don't have Southern accents. People from O'Fallon if they were born and raised in the area don't speak with Southern accents.

[STLCardsBlues1989]

This area is somewhat southern. We're pretty much both Midwest and South. Actually, according to Farmer's Almanac we're at the corner of Ohio Valley, Heartland, and Deep South.

I did go to Ryan's in Poplar Bluff and they offer sweet tea. Sometimes restaurants around here will also have Chicken & Dumplings on special.