Missouri...Southern or Midwestern? (Springfield, Joplin: assess, teachers, maps)

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by ajf131

Plains, is that you????

I changed by username to GraniteStater awhile ago.

[missouri guh314]

Originally Posted by ajf131

What is your point? Geographically further north or further south by a hair does not dictate cultural differences, especially when KC is almost 4 hours west of St. Louis. I also have to disagree with anything south of I-44 being the south, there is Midwestern influence in Missouri until you are very close to Arkansas. You cannot divide a state based on highways. Anything north of I-44 and south of I-70 being the great plains is bogus as well. THe Great Plains are west of Missouri...Missouri is not in the Great Plains at all. Missouri is an overall Midwestern state. The people of Southern Missouri for the most part are just like the people of Southern Illinois.

i never said it was different culturally. it is further south than kc is but that does have anything to do with cultural diffrences

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by GetmeoutofAR

I am basing my reasoning for what is south or not along climatic boundaries not on cultural lines or accents. But, I do beleive cultural/accent boundaries follow these same lines. I think we can all agree on that

Check maps of Southern dialect and agriculture as well as surveys done by people who consider themselves Southerners and Midwesterners, and you'll find this to be far from the case. Southern culture does not start south of Interstate 44...Springfield and Joplin to Cape Girardeau and maybe areas slightly to the north extending to the Ohio River valley are the cultural boundaries of the South.

[GraniteStater]

All of Kentucky is Humid Subtropical, and is culturally southern as well. Most areas of Kentucky rarely get temperatures below zero. Therefore, I would say most of Kentucky falls under climate zone 6 or 7.

[GetmeoutofAR]

Originally Posted by ajf131

Check maps of Southern dialect and agriculture as well as surveys done by people who consider themselves Southerners and Midwesterners, and you'll find this to be far from the case. Southern culture does not start south of Interstate 44...Springfield and Joplin to Cape Girardeau and maybe areas slightly to the north extending to the Ohio River valley are the cultural boundaries of the South.

This is exactly what I was saying. So yeah...basically I-44 to Lebanon then over to Farmington....I rest my case....

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by GetmeoutofAR

This is exactly what I was saying. So yeah...basically I-44 to Lebanon then over to Farmington....I rest my case....

not exactly, but whatever...I guess we are close enough.

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

All of Kentucky is Humid Subtropical, and is culturally southern as well. Most areas of Kentucky rarely get temperatures below zero. Therefore, I would say most of Kentucky falls under climate zone 6 or 7.

No arguments here, I'm in 100% agreement with that given the college courses I have taken in meteorology which testify to that, at least the humid subtropical part of it. And I've been to Kentucky...all of Kentucky except for the Cincinnati suburbs is culturally Southern.

[GetmeoutofAR]

On a funny note, I heard a local radio station here in Springfield yesterday say "here in the south" I sorta chuckled to myself since i'm from Arkansas and Springfield is not considered to be in the south there.

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by GetmeoutofAR

On a funny note, I heard a local radio station here in Springfield yesterday say "here in the south" I sorta chuckled to myself since i'm from Arkansas and Springfield is not considered to be in the south there.

Springfield isn't considered to be in the South by me either. Number one, it has not always been culturally Southern..my father tells me that growing up, you couldn't get sweet tea in Joplin. I pretty much consider Springfield and Joplin to be the same city...after all they are only 30 miles apart from each other. Not to mention, Springfield's architecture resembles the Midwest more, and its history is not that of a Southern city. It feels like a Midwestern town, not a Southern one, and honestly the people there seem to act more like Midwesterners than Southerners...they are hard-working, they don't really speak with accents...however I'm not going to deny that it has many strong Southern influences. i think radio announcers need to be careful when saying a city is in the south or not...oh yeah, and on another note, my father growing up in Joplin said that snow was far from unusual there. Springfield, Missouri is far less Southern than just about any place in Kentucky.

[GetmeoutofAR]

Originally Posted by ajf131

Springfield isn't considered to be in the South by me either. Number one, it has not always been culturally Southern..my father tells me that growing up, you couldn't get sweet tea in Joplin. I pretty much consider Springfield and Joplin to be the same city...after all they are only 30 miles apart from each other. Not to mention, Springfield's architecture resembles the Midwest more, and its history is not that of a Southern city. It feels like a Midwestern town, not a Southern one, and honestly the people there seem to act more like Midwesterners than Southerners...they are hard-working, they don't really speak with accents...however I'm not going to deny that it has many strong Southern influences. i think radio announcers need to be careful when saying a city is in the south or not...oh yeah, and on another note, my father growing up in Joplin said that snow was far from unusual there. Springfield, Missouri is far less Southern than just about any place in Kentucky.

I totally agree with you on the architecture thing. In the countryside of Arkansas you will find not find any big farmhouses or anything like that. Except for small pockets there is no real old homes like Missouri and the rest of the midwest