Missouri...Southern or Midwestern? (St. Louis, Memphis: average, jobs, towns)

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by joebaldknobber

The Confederate Cemetary in Fayetteville, Arkansas is full of Missouri Confederate soldiers. The US only funds cemetaries for Union soldiers.

So? Missouri Confederate Soldiers were far outnumbered by Missouri Union Soldiers....there were 100,000 Missourians that fought for the Union...twice as many as those that fought for the Confederacy.

[joebaldknobber]

Originally Posted by ajf131

So? Missouri Confederate Soldiers were far outnumbered by Missouri Union Soldiers....there were 100,000 Missourians that fought for the Union...twice as many as those that fought for the Confederacy.

Mark Twain volunteered for the Confederacy.

[ShadowCaver]

GetmeoutofAR - the "stirring up the hornet nest" award goes to you!

[MoNative34]

Missouri is now southern with the global climate change due to coal fired powered plants, my wood burning stove, the manure in my pasture, and all the carbon dioxide I exhale on a daily basis. Its a beautiful day.... I think I'll take a stroll.

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by joebaldknobber

Mark Twain volunteered for the Confederacy.

He also never fought as a Confederate soldier. One person. He's a famous literary figure...that's all he is. He's not the quintessential Missourian by any standards of his time. And that the militia he and some of his friends formed also disbanded after just several drills, so his status as a pro-Confederate is questionable, coinciding with his gradual change from pro-secessionist to pro-Unionist as he then shortly thereafter left Missouri to tour the country. He was torn between either supporting the pro-secessionist state governor's request (Claiborne Jackson held pro-secessionist beliefs unlike most of the people who elected him) or the federal government, and ultimately chose neither one.

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by MoNative34

Missouri is now southern with the global climate change due to coal fired powered plants, my wood burning stove, the manure in my pasture, and all the carbon dioxide I exhale on a daily basis. Its a beautiful day.... I think I'll take a stroll.

Not really...3/4 of it is humid continental climate.

[GetmeoutofAR]

I will forever stand on the notion that anything south of Hwy 60 is in the south. Anything north is in the lower midwest and then anything north of I-70 is in the true midwest. I guess i just have alot of redneck family in Missouri (northern, MO) who seem almost as southern as many people I have met in my many years in Arkansas......then again...my grandfather migrated from you guessed it... in southern Kentucky in the 1940s....so this may be a personal thing more than anything else

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by GetmeoutofAR

I will forever stand on the notion that anything south of Hwy 60 is in the south. Anything north is in the lower midwest and then anything north of I-70 is in the true midwest. I guess i just have alot of redneck family in Missouri (northern, MO) who seem almost as southern as many people I have met in my many years in Arkansas......then again...my grandfather migrated from you guessed it... in southern Kentucky in the 1940s....so this may be a personal thing more than anything else

It probably is. Because Northern Missouri doesn't have rednecks. Those people are farmers who work hard for an honest living. I would fine tune the definition of the true midwest to be anything north of Highway 50. The area in between Highway 50 and Highway 60 is a transition area between the midwest and south. Most of the Southern half of Missouri, Southern Illinois, extreme Southern Indiana, extreme Southern Ohio, and the Northern half of Kentucky (north of Louisville and Lexington) fall within this description. This classification makes Missouri more Midwestern than Southern, and Kentucky more Southern than Midwestern. That's my argument for placing Missouri in the Midwest and Kentucky in the South, as Missouri leans more towards the Midwest, Kentucky more towards the South.

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by MoNative34

Missouri is now southern with the global climate change due to coal fired powered plants, my wood burning stove, the manure in my pasture, and all the carbon dioxide I exhale on a daily basis. Its a beautiful day.... I think I'll take a stroll.

I will say that Missouri is ignorant to rely on coal for nearly 90% of electricity producing needs. A number that high is unacceptable given the fact that some of the oldest and most polluting plants are located near metropolitan areas of the state. MO was also stupid enough to approve to build another coal plant in Platte County that will export a lot of its electricity out of state. The big electric companies profit at the expense of "grandfathered" coal plants negative impact on health and environment.

[GetmeoutofAR]

Originally Posted by ajf131

It probably is. Because Northern Missouri doesn't have rednecks. Those people are farmers who work hard for an honest living. I would fine tune the definition of the true midwest to be anything north of Highway 50. The area in between Highway 50 and Highway 60 is a transition area between the midwest and south. Most of the Southern half of Missouri, Southern Illinois, extreme Southern Indiana, extreme Southern Ohio, and the Northern half of Kentucky (north of Louisville and Lexington) fall within this description. This classification makes Missouri more Midwestern than Southern, and Kentucky more Southern than Midwestern. That's my argument for placing Missouri in the Midwest and Kentucky in the South, as Missouri leans more towards the Midwest, Kentucky more towards the South.

well i honestly think you can have rednecks almost anywhere to some extent, but yeah north of I-70 many less