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Old 03-21-2011, 07:37 AM
 
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I don't expect the UFC to pay the same as boxing, b/c boxing is so much more popular, but crap.....
this is the part that did it for me. lol boxing while still SOMEWHAT popular is NOT more popular then mma. if boxing where more popular then it would have all the tv shows, and would be doing huge ppv buys every single month, some times 2 times a month. if it where more popular then boxing would be in the mist of having its own network now getting espn boxing removed from the air.

yes dana is making a ish ton of money but the top fighters are doing pretty well. sure they are not making ridiculous numbers like manny or floyd but then not to many boxers are making those numbers. the real money is in the sponsors and ads some of those guys do. like GSP, the guy is making millions on every fight PLUS his nike, and gatoraid and all those ads.

the thing about the money in mma is that it has been hidden pretty well from public view. it is not just out there for everyone to see but just because you cant see it doesnt mean it isnt real.
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Old 03-21-2011, 08:16 AM
 
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a very interesting read
More money than meets the eye in the UFC - UFC - Yahoo! Sports

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One of my passions in life is technology. I’m obsessed with gizmos and gadgets and am all but in love with my iPhone.

A friend who knows about my obsession had a computer he wanted to sell on eBay and asked me what I felt it was worth. He went to a Web site that showed an estimated street value, one I felt was considerably too high.

He argued that his asking price was justified because this web site was made up of experts and they agreed with him.

True, I said, but something is only worth what someone else will pay for it. And when we went to eBay and looked at completed listings for a computer with specs similar to his, he was shocked. People were only paying about half of what he thought he could get.

And that same analogy is true when it comes to fighter compensation. There is a lot of debate in the mixed martial arts media over what the UFC pays its fighters. It’s easy to take the stance that the fighters deserve more pay.

Of course they do. Getting punched in the face or kicked in the head is about as difficult a profession as one could choose. You only get paid when you actually compete, meaning an injury in training — by your or by your opponent — means you’ve worked two months for free.

So fighters deserve as much as they can get. I have always and will always advocate for the athletes in this sport.

But, when Kalib Starnes split ways with the UFC last week, he called his deal with the UFC an oppressive contract. He complained about his pay.

Clearly, the top UFC fighters don’t make nearly the amount that the top boxers make. But there is an incorrect perception that the other UFC fighters are being underpaid compared to boxers of the same level as well as fighters in the mixed martial arts community.

So I called the Nevada Athletic Commission and got the payment verification sheets for the last two major boxing shows (Bernard Hopkins-Joe Calzaghe on April 19 and Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez on March 15) as well as for the last major UFC show in the state, UFC 81 on Feb. 2.

According to state records, Hopkins and Calzaghe were each paid $3 million for their work. The next highest-paid fighter on that card was Audley Harrison, who made $20,000. There were nine fighters who made $5,000 or less, including two men, Marcos Mendias and Jermell Charlo, who made but $1,500.

Pacquiao made $3 million and Marquez $1 million for their epic rematch, but there were five fighters of the 14 on that show who made $3,500 or less.

At the UFC show, the lowest base pay for any of the 18 fighters on the card was the $4,000 that Kyle Bradley made.

The UFC also paid out $60,000 bonuses that night for knockout of the night, submission of the night and fight of the night. Plus, most of the fighters had bonuses for winning, so the opportunity was there for them to double their pay, which was not for the boxers.

And several agents, speaking on the condition of anonymity, have said the UFC occasionally pays its fighters bonuses it chooses not to announce to the public. These bonuses apparently go to fighters who perform superbly in a big fight.

Welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre reportedly received a $500,000 bonus and a Hummer when he knocked out Matt Hughes at UFC 65 in Sacramento, Calif.

Additionally, fighting in the UFC makes an athlete significantly more attractive to a sponsor. Frank Mir made $85,000 for the logos he wore into the cage for his fight with Brock Lesnar that night. Had he been fighting in another organization, there’s zero chance he would have earned half that in sponsorship money and he likely wouldn’t have gotten 20 percent as much.

So Mir that night earned a base pay of $40,000, a win bonus of another $40,000, a submission of the night bonus of $60,000 and then hauled in $85,000 in sponsorship dollars.

He’s not going to be able to retire after that bout, but bringing in $225,000 for one night’s work isn’t bad at any time, especially in this economy. A fighter like Chuck Liddell is making around $6 million a year between his salary and his sponsorships and was making at least $9 million little more than a year ago. He was getting $75,000 a month from Xyience and received $1 million for just two weekends of promoting the movie, “300.”

“The UFC will pay you if you perform,” said fighter agent Dean Albrecht, Mir’s agent. “It’s like in the NFL. They’re not going to rip up your contract after one great game, but if you perform over a period of time, they’ll pay you and pay you extremely well. In the UFC, if you go out and fight and put on a great show, believe me, they pay extremely well and they can make some of these kids rich.”

Albrecht said another of his clients, Joe Lauzon, earned $8,000 for his bout with Kenny Florian earlier this month on Ultimate Fight Night 13. He would have gotten an $8,000 bonus had he won. Albrecht conceded the pay was low, but it was mitigated by a $20,000 fight of the night bonus and $52,000 in sponsorship money Albrecht negotiated.

He said if Lauzon had been fighting in a regional promotion, he would have made $2,000 to show, gotten $2,000 had he won and may have picked up another $500 in sponsorship. Even in the best case scenario, then, he would have made less than $5,000.

The IFL is bleeding money and likely won’t last past its next show. Elite XC in its most recent SEC report also conceded it may not have the funds to last the rest of the year. If it’s not able to pull at least a 2.5 rating on CBS for its May 31 show, it may be in jeopardy of failing.

The UFC, on the other hand, continues to thrive. It will provide a place for the fighters to sell their wares long into the future. There is no other North American-based promotion that can say that now other than the UFC.

So while the UFC should bump up the salaries of the fighters up and down the cards, given the rising merchandise sales, gate receipts and pay-per-view revenues, you also have to remember that they’re the only ones who are thriving and can pay consistently. It’s a two-way street.
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Old 03-21-2011, 10:59 AM
 
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Good stuff rigas, thanks.
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Old 03-21-2011, 10:59 AM
 
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this is the part that did it for me. lol boxing while still SOMEWHAT popular is NOT more popular then mma. if boxing where more popular then it would have all the tv shows, and would be doing huge ppv buys every single month, some times 2 times a month. if it where more popular then boxing would be in the mist of having its own network now getting espn boxing removed from the air.
I go by the payout purse. Pacquiao is BILLIONAIRE now. Top MMA fighters are busting their asses, fighting so much more but for peanuts compared to top boxers.

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yes dana is making a ish ton of money but the top fighters are doing pretty well. sure they are not making ridiculous numbers like manny or floyd but then not to many boxers are making those numbers. the real money is in the sponsors and ads some of those guys do. like GSP, the guy is making millions on every fight PLUS his nike, and gatoraid and all those ads.
You think boxers don't do endorsement deals?

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the thing about the money in mma is that it has been hidden pretty well from public view. it is not just out there for everyone to see but just because you cant see it doesnt mean it isnt real.
It's hidden b/c they don't make very good money at all compared to boxers. They're embarrassed to disclose it. The boxers will laugh at them. MMA is more popular, probably, as a participation sport but as a spectator's sport, boxing seems to still be king.
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Old 03-21-2011, 11:14 AM
 
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There are far more than four events per year, and the fighters are usually paid very well. Headliners makes hundreds of thousands of dollars, and others guys on the main card making 20k per fight are still doing pretty damn well for what is basically a part time job.
It's still horrible considering that the UFC is the highest level of this game. When Pacquiao does fight Mayweather, it's going to be at least $50 million guaranteed to both, win or lose.

Notice you said part time job. See the difference? PT job is fine if you're fighting local events, but it shouldn't be when you've made it to the UFC. What are their full time jobs? Surgeon, litigator, politician, rocket scientist? They work at Wendy's and crap. Fighting is their main passion and objective in life (at the moment), but Dana White is a cheap bastard who's taking advantage of them. They need to unionize. I hate unions, but in this case, I'm for it.

Look at the $100,000 sponsor license (PER YEAR) that the UFC imposes on those who wants to sponsor fighters. This cuts out just about every small endorsement deals that a new fighter can earn b/c the UFC wants it's $100,000 fee first before the fighters gets to eat. That's why most new fighters in the UFC only have "TapOut" on their shorts and rarely any other sponsors. TapOut, now that's one company that really cares about the fighters from the very beginning. They don't need their logo on a new, unknown fighter....but they still do it to help them out.
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Old 03-21-2011, 11:35 AM
 
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I go by the payout purse. Pacquiao is BILLIONAIRE now. Top MMA fighters are busting their asses, fighting so much more but for peanuts compared to top boxers.



You think boxers don't do endorsement deals?



It's hidden b/c they don't make very good money at all compared to boxers. They're embarrassed to disclose it. The boxers will laugh at them. MMA is more popular, probably, as a participation sport but as a spectator's sport, boxing seems to still be king.
manny makes about 1 billion Philippine pesos a year which is about 49:1. the NY times says he makes about 20m a year. his biggest payout was in 2008 against de la hoya where he made about 11m the rest of his fights he has made between 1 and 3 mil. in contrast fedor was payed 3.5m to fight arlovski in affliction. that fight didnt even last 5 minutes.

yes SOME boxers have endorsments, but they are few and far between.

as for spectator sport, why dont you go read the 100 other trolls about how boxing is watched more then ufc. you will find how wrong you are, considering the ufc is the undisputed king of PPV buys. you see in boxing there are only 2 guys who can bring the buys and one of those guys is either retired, in irs trouble or ducking the other guy. people like to watch mma because the organizations are set in place so that it is very hard for guys to duck each other, and the fights are generally the fights people want to see.
i mean did anyone really want to see manny beat up on marquez again? a bunch of mexicans and philippinos, sure, the rest of the fight community not so much.

UFC remains king of PPV hill - UFC - Yahoo! Sports

but hey in the immortal words of limp bizkit, keep on TROLLIN TROLLIN TROLLIN!
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Old 03-21-2011, 11:54 AM
 
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Notice you said part time job. See the difference? PT job is fine if you're fighting local events, but it shouldn't be when you've made it to the UFC. What are their full time jobs? Surgeon, litigator, politician, rocket scientist? They work at Wendy's and crap. Fighting is their main passion and objective in life (at the moment), but Dana White is a cheap bastard who's taking advantage of them. They need to unionize. I hate unions, but in this case, I'm for it.

Look at the $100,000 sponsor license (PER YEAR) that the UFC imposes on those who wants to sponsor fighters. This cuts out just about every small endorsement deals that a new fighter can earn b/c the UFC wants it's $100,000 fee first before the fighters gets to eat. That's why most new fighters in the UFC only have "TapOut" on their shorts and rarely any other sponsors. TapOut, now that's one company that really cares about the fighters from the very beginning. They don't need their logo on a new, unknown fighter....but they still do it to help them out.
here are just a few of the "other jobs"
The Former Careers of UFC Fighters : COED Magazine
including cops, teachers, and politicians.

as for your "$100,000 paid to the ufc", show me the documentation, all i can find is that in 2009, the ufc was exploring taking over the negotiations for fighters and sponsors which the ufc would be charging a 15% fee for doing. now depending on the fighter, this COULD be 100k or more but there apparently is no flat 100k fee.
as for it cutting out the little guys, how do you explain small companies like ammunition to go sponsoring lytle just this year, or all the guys with mmawarehouse, or condom depot on their shorts?

here read this,
UFC Sponsorship Policies and Bad Economy Hurting Fighter Earnings - Bloody Elbow

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It started 18 months ago when the UFC began tightening down on what gear fighters could wear into the cage. Businesses that wanted to sponsor fighters for UFC events had to pay UFC President White first, for some companies amounts up to $100,000 annually. But there was more to it than that. Certain outfits, like Full Tilt Poker, were suddenly sponsoring multiple fighters on every card. It appeared that they were trying to rebrand the entire promotion in their likeness. White couldn't allow that to happen without the UFC collecting a premium. They had spent too much money and time building their brand. They weren't about to let anyone come in and splash their own logo all over everything on the cheap. It was going to cost, up to $1 million per quarter for high level sponsors.

Some could afford to pay. Some bought in anyway and disappeared as the economy continued to collapse all around us. In some cases, it was the fighters being hurt, especially savvy athletes who had built their own clothing brands.

"It's like they were sticking their hands in my pocket," fighter Dan Henderson said, telling the LA Times that the UFC charged his apparel company $10,000 for a four month window to advertise in the Octagon in 2009. That was money that could have gone to the fighters.


"Depends on how big or how small your business is and how much you pay. We are the most lenient sports organization on planet f**cking earth. When was the last time you saw guys wearing whatever they want in the NFL, Major League Baseball, the NBA, World Cup Soccer? Do guys wear whatever they want when they walk in? No they donít."
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Old 03-21-2011, 12:25 PM
 
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It's still horrible considering that the UFC is the highest level of this game. When Pacquiao does fight Mayweather, it's going to be at least $50 million guaranteed to both, win or lose.
I'd counter that $50 million is grossly overpaid, and certainly wouldn't use boxing overpaying their biggest names as a reasonable barometer to pronounce UFC pay horrible. I don't consider the UFC pay rate horrible by any means, the top guys who draw the crowds in the door get paid plenty of money, and the lower tier guys get paid more than the boxing undercard people, as rigas pointed out.
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Old 03-21-2011, 02:26 PM
 
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manny makes about 1 billion Philippine pesos a year which is about 49:1. the NY times says he makes about 20m a year. his biggest payout was in 2008 against de la hoya where he made about 11m the rest of his fights he has made between 1 and 3 mil. in contrast fedor was payed 3.5m to fight arlovski in affliction. that fight didnt even last 5 minutes.
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This is a lot more than the top MMA fighter.
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yes SOME boxers have endorsments, but they are few and far between.
Because there's less whoring of products at boxing events.

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as for spectator sport, why dont you go read the 100 other trolls about how boxing is watched more then ufc. you will find how wrong you are, considering the ufc is the undisputed king of PPV buys. you see in boxing there are only 2 guys who can bring the buys and one of those guys is either retired, in irs trouble or ducking the other guy. people like to watch mma because the organizations are set in place so that it is very hard for guys to duck each other, and the fights are generally the fights people want to see.
i mean did anyone really want to see manny beat up on marquez again? a bunch of mexicans and philippinos, sure, the rest of the fight community not so much.
The payout speaks for itself.

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but hey in the immortal words of limp bizkit, keep on TROLLIN TROLLIN TROLLIN!
I'm complaining about how the UFC don't pay it's fighters enough. Stop being a little *****. Little nerds still cries about trolling, or w/e still? Too funny.
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Old 03-21-2011, 02:30 PM
 
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here are just a few of the "other jobs"
The Former Careers of UFC Fighters : COED Magazine
including cops, teachers, and politicians.

as for your "$100,000 paid to the ufc", show me the documentation, all i can find is that in 2009, the ufc was exploring taking over the negotiations for fighters and sponsors which the ufc would be charging a 15% fee for doing. now depending on the fighter, this COULD be 100k or more but there apparently is no flat 100k fee.
Go call up the UFC yourself. We have people who works with Dana White at our gym.

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as for it cutting out the little guys, how do you explain small companies like ammunition to go sponsoring lytle just this year, or all the guys with mmawarehouse, or condom depot on their shorts?
Obviously, these companies are paying the $100,000 yearly fees.
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