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Old 02-24-2014, 11:46 AM
 
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There were a lot of Asians in Pride lol.. Sakurai, Aoki, Gomi, Fujita, Misaki...

They have had a difficult time in the US playing with the UFC ruleset which favors the local wrestler.
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Old 03-16-2014, 05:17 PM
 
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The simple answer is, Asians just aren't that good. There are just a few Asians in high level fighting. Even in most events that originates in Asia such as K-1, the champions seems to be the Whites, Blacks and Latinos, even Arabic.

Maybe in pure Muay Thai in Thailand, there are Asian champs. Also, Asians are on the smaller size, so this is where most of the high level Asian fighters congregate to....but still mostly in Muay Thai only is where they are accomplished. While MMA has plenty of lighter weight classes and no Asian champions.

Probably also due to the basic physique of Asians too.
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Old 03-17-2014, 09:34 PM
 
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There were a lot of Asians in Pride lol.. Sakurai, Aoki, Gomi, Fujita, Misaki...

They have had a difficult time in the US playing with the UFC ruleset which favors the local wrestler.
I think that PRIDE should have allowed elbows and UFC should allow stomps - then we'd truly have ultimate fighting. I seriously doubt stomps will ever be allowed in the U.S. market.

I personally don't have a problem with wrestling as long as they're working. If they're just laying and buying time, then the ref oughtta break it up and make 'em stand. But there's a lot of strategy on the ground. The ground fighting, especially BJJ, is a chess match. I don't get why people don't get that. There are so many permutations to the outcome of a fight in MMA. The technical grappling plays a huge role in that.
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Old 03-17-2014, 09:37 PM
 
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The simple answer is, Asians just aren't that good. There are just a few Asians in high level fighting. Even in most events that originates in Asia such as K-1, the champions seems to be the Whites, Blacks and Latinos, even Arabic.

Maybe in pure Muay Thai in Thailand, there are Asian champs. Also, Asians are on the smaller size, so this is where most of the high level Asian fighters congregate to....but still mostly in Muay Thai only is where they are accomplished. While MMA has plenty of lighter weight classes and no Asian champions.

Probably also due to the basic physique of Asians too.
Truer in the bigger weight classes, but the Asians can hold their own in smaller classes. As others have said, there's plenty of money and fame in their own back yards, too, so they may not be motivated to come over until they've exhausted themselves on the local scene.
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Old 03-18-2014, 01:48 PM
 
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UFC should allow stomps - then we'd truly have ultimate fighting. I seriously doubt stomps will ever be allowed in the U.S. market.
Stomps to the head certainly were allowed in early UFC's. You can stomp, soccer kick the head, the throat, *******, anything. There were no disqualifying rules in the early UFC's, especially UFC 1-4. Biting and eye gouging didn't DQ, only $1k fine per incident. A few punks did try to bite and eye gouge Royce Gracie. That's why he didn't let go of the choke and even broke a Kung-Fu guy's arm for eye gouging (Jason DeLucia). Gracie states this in the article interviews.

Early UFC was basically an all out death match, without the death as there was a Referee. But it basically starts out and progressed as a death match....until someone gives up or the Ref stops it.
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Old 03-18-2014, 01:57 PM
 
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Truer in the bigger weight classes, but the Asians can hold their own in smaller classes. As others have said, there's plenty of money and fame in their own back yards, too, so they may not be motivated to come over until they've exhausted themselves on the local scene.
Well if they wait until they're done in Thailand, then they wouldn't even come close to making it in the UFC.

The UFC is the highest level for Martial Artist. Even in Thailand, their top fighters won't make the same money as say, Anderson Silva, John Jones, etc. And these guys only fights 3-5 times a year, while top MT fighters have 300-500 fights and crap, damn.

And the Thai fighters even fights K-1 because it's better money. Japan doesn't even have Pride anymore, do they? While China, there's not much going on there.
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Old 03-18-2014, 01:59 PM
 
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There were a lot of Asians in Pride lol.. Sakurai, Aoki, Gomi, Fujita, Misaki...

They have had a difficult time in the US playing with the UFC ruleset which favors the local wrestler.
Huh? Many of these Japanese are awesome grapplers. How the hell does the UFC ruleset favors wrestlers? List the reasons. And why is it funny?
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Old 08-07-2014, 06:33 PM
 
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There are many reason why not many Asians are in MMA
1. Mainstream Asian culture does not value physical progress, Asian parents force their kids to pick safe, high earning jobs
2. Asians tend to have smaller body. If two people of equal skill fight, the bigger one wins.
The heavy weight division is deemed more prestigious in the USA, so Asians will not appear as much
3. MMA is martial sports, not martial art. The so called death match with no death but a referee is more similar to martial art.
MMA rules make the fights more exciting to the viewers
Martial art sparring rules exists to let the fights be as real and safe as possible
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Old 08-07-2014, 07:22 PM
 
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Huh? Many of these Japanese are awesome grapplers. How the hell does the UFC ruleset favors wrestlers? List the reasons. And why is it funny?
UFC is built for wrestlers.

No soccer kicks, no knees to a downed opponent, no stalling and yellow cards. Also the CAGE is much more suite towards the clinch fighter vs the ring.


It's funny because they don't make it in the US because of the ruleset.
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Old 11-18-2014, 09:57 AM
 
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For the Asians that aren't participating in something that's taken more seriously in their respective countries (read: muay thai and sumo), there are plenty of fighters that do well, albeit mostly at the lower weight classes.
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