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Old 11-20-2014, 06:31 AM
 
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They're very smart people and don't want to get punched or kicked square in the face...
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Old 11-28-2014, 03:08 PM
 
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What are you guys talking about, there are a ton of Asians in MMA and other fighting styles (I know, MMA is not a style, you know what I mean). The UFC is not the end all be all of MMA, and yes, Pride was vastly superior.
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Old 04-19-2015, 10:03 PM
 
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a big reason (pun intended, wait for it)
is so many asians are ummm "little people" so the main stream mma organizations have not or are just barely coming around to the smaller weight classes.

look at those rankings as an example
Fight Matrix | Current MMA Rankings &raquo Strawweight
I was thinking it was a marketing thing " UFC" is an american brand. But this makes a lot of sense also.
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Old 05-31-2015, 06:40 AM
 
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UFC is built for wrestlers.

No soccer kicks, no knees to a downed opponent, no stalling and yellow cards. Also the CAGE is much more suite towards the clinch fighter vs the ring.


It's funny because they don't make it in the US because of the ruleset.

Sht, since 08-2014? Oh well, here's my response.

But you don't know sht about The UFC then if you think it's "built for wrestlers". Man, this is dumb. The UFC in the past 10+ years have transitioned to mostly standup striking because that's what Dana White wants....to sell more tickets. You're stuck back in UFC 8-15 or something.

And where the hell do you think that most of the Grappling in The UFC comes from? Jiu-Jitsu is JAPANESE even if BJJ is a refined version of Jujutsu's newaza. The Cage is more real than the ring, which is what The UFC strived for in the beginning.
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Old 05-31-2015, 06:45 AM
 
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What are you guys talking about, there are a ton of Asians in MMA and other fighting styles (I know, MMA is not a style, you know what I mean). The UFC is not the end all be all of MMA, and yes, Pride was vastly superior.
There aren't tons of Asians in MMA. MMA is certainly a style. It's hybrid with certain distinctions that can be considered Mainstream MMA, ie. Muay Thai + BJJ....while the fringe group-type MMA can be Karate + BJJ, etc.

The UFC, certainly is, the end to all, be all of MMA as of the present time. Money talks.
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Old 05-31-2015, 06:55 AM
 
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They're very smart people and don't want to get punched or kicked square in the face...
This is PURE BS. The Asian culture is full of chopsocky fighting and ****....all over their TV and movies...ingrained into their psyche. It's probably one of the main things that Asians are known for, the Martial Arts. Asians in general, just aren't as strong and powerful as the other races.

Fighting is a poorman's sport and there are plenty of poor Asians in Asia, making $2/hour 50 hour/week building junk in a factory under extreme stress. And that's a good job too.

You think that all of these mofo's are passing up the chance of being the next Pacquaio and making $280,000,000 for one fight...if they could?
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Old 06-01-2015, 08:33 AM
 
Location: spring tx
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Sht, since 08-2014? Oh well, here's my response.

But you don't know sht about The UFC then if you think it's "built for wrestlers". Man, this is dumb. The UFC in the past 10+ years have transitioned to mostly standup striking because that's what Dana White wants....to sell more tickets. You're stuck back in UFC 8-15 or something.

And where the hell do you think that most of the Grappling in The UFC comes from? Jiu-Jitsu is JAPANESE even if BJJ is a refined version of Jujutsu's newaza. The Cage is more real than the ring, which is what The UFC strived for in the beginning.
not exactly true, while dana would love a bunch of slobber knockers of fights, cain, cormier, weidman, lawler, dillashaw, and johnson all have wrestling backgrounds from high school to the olympics and everything in between.
mma in general is not "built for wrestlers" exactly, but wrestlers excel better than any.

grappling in general does not come from ju-jutsu, jiu jitsu, bjj, judo, all grappling stems from wrestling in greece/rome.
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Old 06-02-2015, 10:58 AM
 
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Sht, since 08-2014? Oh well, here's my response.

But you don't know sht about The UFC then if you think it's "built for wrestlers". Man, this is dumb. The UFC in the past 10+ years have transitioned to mostly standup striking because that's what Dana White wants....to sell more tickets. You're stuck back in UFC 8-15 or something.

And where the hell do you think that most of the Grappling in The UFC comes from? Jiu-Jitsu is JAPANESE even if BJJ is a refined version of Jujutsu's newaza. The Cage is more real than the ring, which is what The UFC strived for in the beginning.
Based on the bolded line alone shows that you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Dumb? Have you looked at the list of UFC Top Class over the last 5 years? It is most definitely dominated by Wrestlers:

Domick Cruz
Rashad Evans
Jon Jones
Phil Davis
Chael Sonnen
Johny Hendricks
Jon Fitch
Mark Munoz
Cain Velazquez
Brock Lesnar
Randy Counture
Chuck Liddel
Cormier
Benson henderson
Dan Henderson
Shane Carwin
Chris Weidman
Frankie Edgar
Anthony Pettis
Dillashaw
Demetrious Johnson

Even GSP turned into a Wrestler.

The fact the UFC does now allow knees or soccer kicks to a downed opponent shows that ruleset is tailored to wrestlers.
Cage allows for the wrestler to pin their opponent against the wall... where the ring does not.
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Old 06-03-2015, 06:56 PM
 
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not exactly true, while dana would love a bunch of slobber knockers of fights, cain, cormier, weidman, lawler, dillashaw, and johnson all have wrestling backgrounds from high school to the olympics and everything in between.
mma in general is not "built for wrestlers" exactly, but wrestlers excel better than any.
What I said is more true than what you're implying here. They are fighting stand-up way more than expected when you're admitting that they're base is Wrestling. They are all training hard to tune their standup game, to keep fights standing more, to make Dana happy.

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grappling in general does not come from ju-jutsu, jiu jitsu, bjj, judo, all grappling stems from wrestling in greece/rome.
Greece and Rome doesn't have some foothold claim on the origins of grappling. Plenty of homos grappling in Asia or wherever before the term was coined.
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Old 06-03-2015, 07:10 PM
 
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Based on the bolded line alone shows that you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Dumb? Have you looked at the list of UFC Top Class over the last 5 years? It is most definitely dominated by Wrestlers:

Domick Cruz
Rashad Evans
Jon Jones
Phil Davis
Chael Sonnen
Johny Hendricks
Jon Fitch
Mark Munoz
Cain Velazquez
Brock Lesnar
Randy Counture
Chuck Liddel
Cormier
Benson henderson
Dan Henderson
Shane Carwin
Chris Weidman
Frankie Edgar
Anthony Pettis
Dillashaw
Demetrious Johnson

Even GSP turned into a Wrestler.
Thanks genius, this further proves my point as most of these fighters, despite their extensive Wrestling background, have been working extra hard to keep it standing as much as possible to make Dana White happy.

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The fact the UFC does now allow knees or soccer kicks to a downed opponent shows that ruleset is tailored to wrestlers.
This is stupid. It wasn't The UFC who wanted such rules, it was the state athletic commissions. The UFC conceded in order to not be banned in many viable States and go bankrupt. There wouldn't be any UFC today if they didn't.

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Cage allows for the wrestler to pin their opponent against the wall... where the ring does not.
Sooooo dumb....because in the same sense of argument, the ring would allow opponents taken down to escape/avoid a beat-down by squirming and rolling to fall out of the ring. Even if the fight was reset with the same position before they fell out, it's not guaranteed to be exact and the losing side may have had that greatly needed break for air.

But the CAGE was meant to present a close-as-possible, to a real life fight situation....with Hollywood theatrics, as there was some Chuck Norris or JCVD movie that had fights in a cage. This gimmick of being trapped in a cage ended up being more realistic than a ring. But it was never meant to favor the wrestlers.
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