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Old 03-15-2014, 11:11 AM
 
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all of these UFC fighters, they come and they go ( Houston Alexander, Shane Carwin, etc...), some of them only last a few fights, 7 years is nothing, same thing will happen with Chris Weidman, it's actually embarrassing that a guy with only 11 wins defeated a guy with so much experience and defeated him standing up, just like Brock Lesnar defeated Randy Couture, lame excuse MMA fans make when they say Randy Couture was too old when only a year before that he defeated Tim Sylvia who is the size of Brock Lesnar, he wasn't too old for that?

The main problem here is that you don't understand the concept of combat. Mayweather is a master at his craft of Boxing, but Boxing is a very limited aspect of all out combat. There are just so many ways that anyone can get caught and lose in MMA.

Like a fat BJJ blue belt with 2-3 years of training can choke Mayweather's ass out and kill him in a streetfight, but chances are, the BJJ will get knocked the F out before even getting close enough. But he still have that slight chance if there's a clinch. While there's no chance in hell that a Boxer with 2-3 years of training will KO Mayweather in a streetfight. And there's no BJJ nor Boxer with 2-3 years of experience will come close to doing anything vs. Coutoure, Weidman, Lesnar, and other UFC champions in a streetfight without a knife or gun.
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Old 03-15-2014, 11:52 AM
 
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The main problem here is that you don't understand the concept of combat. Mayweather is a master at his craft of Boxing, but Boxing is a very limited aspect of all out combat. There are just so many ways that anyone can get caught and lose in MMA.

Like a fat BJJ blue belt with 2-3 years of training can choke Mayweather's ass out and kill him in a streetfight, but chances are, the BJJ will get knocked the F out before even getting close enough. But he still have that slight chance if there's a clinch. While there's no chance in hell that a Boxer with 2-3 years of training will KO Mayweather in a streetfight. And there's no BJJ nor Boxer with 2-3 years of experience will come close to doing anything vs. Coutoure, Weidman, Lesnar, and other UFC champions in a streetfight without a knife or gun.
but Lesnar defeated Couture standing up and he doesn't have much experience in boxing, explain that. that's embarrassing.
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Old 03-15-2014, 01:37 PM
 
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People watch boxing? Haha suckers
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Old 03-15-2014, 03:48 PM
 
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People watch boxing? Haha suckers
yes, and you watch Cody Mckenzie, that's what the UFC fighter looks like, hahaha
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Old 03-15-2014, 04:02 PM
 
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but Lesnar defeated Couture standing up and he doesn't have much experience in boxing, explain that. that's embarrassing.

See? This proves what I said about how there are many aspects of fighting in MMA, that a master at one thing can get caught in the various other things that he ain't a master of, nor even good at. This is why I'd rather watch Boxing over MMA. Boxing is artistic in a way, while MMA just looks crude and sloppy, although more effective in all out combat, like in prison or something. Mayweather boxing, is just fargin beautiful.

But to explain it, well I don't remember exactly what happened...I have the full video of Lesnar-Couture fight somewhere but don't feel like looking for it. I'll just go by what you said about how "Lesnar defeated Couture standing up"....so I'm assuming that he punched Couture and beat him there? Well this would be one of the worse way, if not the worse, of how an MMA fight may wind up....where 2 master grapplers cancelling themselves out on the ground.....thus, neither could do much there.... and ending up standing and throwing sloppy, crappy punches to end the fight. Both probably have weak chins, but not just their chins but their whole entire heads are weak and not used to getting beaten on.
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Old 03-15-2014, 04:37 PM
 
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yes, and you watch Cody Mckenzie, that's what the UFC fighter looks like, hahaha
for someone who hates MMA you sure know a lot about mma.
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Old 03-15-2014, 08:20 PM
 
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for someone who hates MMA you sure know a lot about mma.
I never said I hated it, I have respect for some fighters
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:44 AM
 
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GSP didn't want to fight Anderson Silva, Anderson Silva didn't want to fight Jon Jones, Mayweather has beaten great fighters, good fighters, he can't fight everybody, the only fighter he didn't fight is Pacquiao but Mayweather is on another level compared to him, already beat Marquez and made him look ordinary but Marquez knocked out Pacquiao. Still waiting to see a great fighter in MMA who remains undefeated for 2 decades like Floyd but nobody has come close. He has mastered his sport. It's time for a fighter from MMA to master his sport.
MMA is completely different. MMA is a lot more dynamic and has many more opportunities for error and success. There is a lot more to worry about in MMA and as such there is a lot more to master. The ways in which someone can loose in MMA is 10 times that of Boxing. There is a reason why boxing is a 'sweet science' - you don;t have to worry about as many things as MMA - you can focus on just using your hands and arms within a lot closer range while not having to worry about feet, knees, elbows, grabing the neck, take downs, etc., etc. To compare a winning streak in Boxing to one in MMA is just not a fair comparison.
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Old 03-17-2014, 02:26 PM
 
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,,, Tim Sylvia who is the size of Brock Lesnar...
Compared to Lesnar, Sylvia is a slow, fat slob who gives up 50 pounds of muscle.
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Old 03-17-2014, 09:11 PM
 
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Like a fat BJJ blue belt with 2-3 years of training can choke Mayweather's ass out and kill him in a streetfight, but chances are, the BJJ will get knocked the F out before even getting close enough. But he still have that slight chance if there's a clinch. While there's no chance in hell that a Boxer with 2-3 years of training will KO Mayweather in a streetfight. And there's no BJJ nor Boxer with 2-3 years of experience will come close to doing anything vs. Coutoure, Weidman, Lesnar, and other UFC champions in a streetfight without a knife or gun.
I'd take an extremely skilled BJJ guy over an extremely skilled boxer in a fight - unless there are rules require that the fighters remain standing. Royce Gracie and Randy Couture have demonstrated what happens when a boxer is forced to think about guarding against a take-down. A skilled striker could beat a grappler if he spent a considerable amount of time working with MMA trainers on take-down defense, but not if he just walks in and expects to win without any rounded training. I wouldn't even take a kickboxer in that situation, though he'd have a better chance.
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