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Old 11-25-2015, 07:25 AM
 
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From what I know about MMA, if you learn MMA there are no belts or any other form of rank. Most schools that teach MMA do not use rank although its possible there might be some schools that have incorporated a ranking system of some sort but generally speaking they don't do that in MMA.
Generally speaking, ranks and belts are reserved for respective arts...each with their own ranking system. MMA, by definition, is a mix of multiple arts, as chosen by their practitioner. You'll see some that choose to focus on a particular strength, and perhaps only focus on other elements enough to feel comfortable defending against them.

To that end, it's kind of impractical to have a universal ranking system for "MMA". Someone would have to make one up (as mentioned, some have), but to come up with anything resembling consistency would prove very difficult.

A respective art might have an acknowledged approximate set of fundamentals you might need to learn to advance your first rank. But if MMA is to incorporate multiple arts, each with their own set of fundamentals, suddenly any attempt to standardize a system becomes much more complicated.

tl;dr: There isn't a standard. Someday, there could be one, but it would be a long, arduous process as people "agree" on what are decent milestones of aptitude, and said milestones are distributed among (at least) several martial arts and (at most)...ALL of them.
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Old 11-25-2015, 08:46 AM
 
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Imo MMA evolves more rapidly than other traditional arts, and a belt system with rigid criteria would hamper this progress. There are also other potential problems with belts. For example, would one have to obtain a minimum rank before being allowed to compete? How would this affect someone who is subpar in certain areas but world-class in others?
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Old 11-25-2015, 10:33 AM
 
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the helio gracie lineage (outside of rickson and rolls) has never really used striking, some very basic stuff. helio was very against it as he felt you didnt need to strike. he also didnt care much form joint locks, he preferred chokes as an unconscious opponent cant continue but break a guys arm/shoulder and he can. they also preferred open hand striking so as to not hurt their hands.

carlson (our lineage) was a bad man. he used strikes, though he preferred submission. he had decent striking though it was more as a set up for submissions.
Do you mean Carlson Sr or Carlson Jr? I know Carlson Sr was very involved in BJJ but Im not sure about his son Carlson Jr. I met Reylson Gracie, one of Carlson Sr's brothers and he was really good, he taught some very effective grappling techniques but I don't recall him teaching any striking, although he did have respect for the striking styles.
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Old 11-25-2015, 02:20 PM
 
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Sr is the man! Sr was a bad man in his prime. died way to early.
Jr is a good guy, a good instructor but has gone more the way of sport bjj, like most. more money in sport bjj so who can blame them.
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Old 11-25-2015, 06:35 PM
 
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Striking is not in BJJ because striking is not allowed in competition. Muay thai originally does not have a ranking system, but numerous schools use something to denote rank, most of the time the colored arm band.

Some BJJ schools and particular coaches will incorporate striking, but this is more for the whole money/maybe MMA/self defense than training people for competitive BJJ. Same with the belts, where some schools have more belts than just the white/blue/purple/brown/black, but they still must compete under one of these. The belts keep students happy, which brings in money; most students are not planning on competing even in the best schools.
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Old 11-26-2015, 09:13 AM
 
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Imo MMA evolves more rapidly than other traditional arts, and a belt system with rigid criteria would hamper this progress. There are also other potential problems with belts. For example, would one have to obtain a minimum rank before being allowed to compete? How would this affect someone who is subpar in certain areas but world-class in others?
These are interesting points as well.
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Old 11-26-2015, 11:58 AM
 
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Striking is not in BJJ because striking is not allowed in competition. Muay thai originally does not have a ranking system, but numerous schools use something to denote rank, most of the time the colored arm band.

Some BJJ schools and particular coaches will incorporate striking, but this is more for the whole money/maybe MMA/self defense than training people for competitive BJJ. Same with the belts, where some schools have more belts than just the white/blue/purple/brown/black, but they still must compete under one of these. The belts keep students happy, which brings in money; most students are not planning on competing even in the best schools.
Striking was a part of BJJ until the emphasis on sport BJJ started to outweigh the Vale Tudo part (which often isn't even taught at many schools these days).

Standing striking has always been a very small part of BJJ. Striking on the ground was traditionally given a much bigger emphasis. The basic strategy of BJJ was to use standing strikes to set up a clinch or takedown, go to the ground, develop a superior position on the ground, and use strikes on the ground to set up submissions or to finish with strikes or impact.

There were some interesting finishes that involved impact (think of mounting or taking the back and slamming the opponents head repeatedly into the ground). Also, some interesting ways of using the knee ride to finish.
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Old 11-26-2015, 12:31 PM
 
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Some BJJ schools and particular coaches will incorporate striking, but this is more for the whole money/maybe MMA/self defense than training people for competitive BJJ. Same with the belts, where some schools have more belts than just the white/blue/purple/brown/black, but they still must compete under one of these. The belts keep students happy, which brings in money; most students are not planning on competing even in the best schools.
Well from what I know the Gracies would use striking and if you were to take their class they would teach striking, although the emphasis would be mostly on grappling and the purpose of learning to strike, much of it would be so you could learn how to defend against it. I don't know if the Gracies teach striking now.
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Old 11-27-2015, 06:35 AM
 
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So in terms of ranking systems, supposedly the belts of rank first came to be in the 1800s when a Judo instructor gave black belts to his more advanced students. Before that the uniform consisted of a white belt and that would be the belt you would wear for your entire career. That is one of the stories of how the belts of rank originated but apparently there are other speculations.
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