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Kimbo was indeed a joke and never should have seen the light of day...shame on MMA.
Yes, shame on Gary Shaw, the boxing promoter, and anyone that believed the hype of one man.
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McCall, by the way, was not being promoted as the "Second Coming" like Kimbo was for the cheesy knockout-obsessed, credibility-starved MMA crowd.
I don't know how many different times or ways that I have to say this, but every knowledgeable MMA fan knew that "Kimbo" was a joke. No one believed that hype but you man. Sure, some kids that only watch backyard brawls or something on YouTube probably thought he was the second coming, but no real MMA fans thought that.
Yes, shame on Gary Shaw, the boxing promoter, and anyone that believed the hype of one man.
I don't know how many different times or ways that I have to say this, but every knowledgeable MMA fan knew that "Kimbo" was a joke. No one believed that hype but you man. Sure, some kids that only watch backyard brawls or something on YouTube probably thought he was the second coming, but no real MMA fans thought that.
Gary Shaw? Who is he?
It doesn't matter whether you're a "knowledgeable" MMA fan or not, the man was not a product of the Sweet Science, didn't pursue Boxing, and was not promoted for Boxing, for a reason. You're missing the point, man.
His farcical existence only belonged in the realm that is MMA...which is my point, man. Again, the hand-to-hand combat that is Boxing is much preferred over the glorified wrestling matches of MMA...man. Plenty of hardcore boxing fans feel this way.
Ali-Williams. At about the 7:40-7:42 mark, take a look at Ali's intense glare back at Williams after putting him away. Shows the intense competitor that Ali was, a man capable of throwing punches with "mean intentions."
I think I've made my point. I'm a hardcore Boxing fan. I love Boxing. It is the sport of hand-to-hand combat, a sport with a rich history. Right now the heavyweight division is the most lackluster that it has ever been, so this of course provides an opening for MMA fans who are starving for recognition to claim that MMA replaces Boxing. I think this is the most ridiculous point of view that I have ever heard.
I don't care for the cheesy, gimmicky feel of the sport, where guys like Bob Sapp and Kimbo live. It's got a cheap feel to it, like a sport for grunts and trash. It's a great sport for fans like Billy Bob from the backwoods of Alabama or Jimmy John from the poor trailer park delta region of Mississippi. The wrestling/grappling/ground work or whatever you want to call it, I certainly don't care for. Who the hell wants to watch guys on the ground in a glorified wrestling match? Not me.
If I'm not watching Boxing, I prefer KickBoxing. No wrestling here. Here's an example. Once a man is down, notice that he's not instantly pounced on like some fight in the back alley behind a bar.
I think I've made my point. I'm a hardcore Boxing fan. I love Boxing.
this is the only point you have made. that boxing is superior to Mixed Martial Arts as a sport, artform, or entertainment is a point which you have failed to make. miserably.
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Right now the heavyweight division is the most lackluster that it has ever been, so this of course provides an opening for MMA fans who are starving for recognition to claim that MMA replaces Boxing. I think this is the most ridiculous point of view that I have ever heard.
MMA fans arent starved for recognition at all. we are happy with the state of the sport. we could give a crap if our mom's and old ladies like you watch it or like it. the only one who brings this issue up is YOU. you are the one who brings this crap up to falsly assure yourself that boxing isnt being replaced by MMA. the rest of us just know that it is.
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I don't care for the cheesy, gimmicky feel of the sport, where guys like Bob Sapp and Kimbo live. It's got a cheap feel to it, like a sport for grunts and trash. It's a great sport for fans like Billy Bob from the backwoods of Alabama or Jimmy John from the poor trailer park delta region of Mississippi.
you say that it's cheesy but you havnt seen it in over a decade. your racsit crap bugs me, but it shows everybody how diluted you are.
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The wrestling/grappling/ground work or whatever you want to call it, I certainly don't care for. Who the hell wants to watch guys on the ground in a glorified wrestling match? Not me.
i do. and apparently a lot of people do. that's why MMA is so popular. just because you dont like it (on principle) dont mean it aint no good. btw, in an actual fight, 9 times outta 10, a wrestler destroys a boxer .
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If I'm not watching Boxing, I prefer KickBoxing. No wrestling here. Here's an example. Once a man is down, notice that he's not instantly pounced on like some fight in the back alley behind a bar.
your clips are pointless. just like your posts on the subject.
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So rant on. I'm not here to knock those who like this sport
yet, thats all you've done.
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but I think MMA/UFC sucks. Plenty of others feel the same way.
and plenty more feel the opposite. btw, great job of ignoring every post that refuted your ignorant point of view. your ignorance and bias are mind-boggling.
p!$$ off.
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MMA/UFC is not boxing, nor does it pretend to be. The whole "boxing vs MMA" argument that this thread became is kinda pointless.
MMA is what it is. It's not "superior" to boxing. American football isn't superior to rugby. Formula One isn't superior to NASCAR. Weightlifting isn't superior to powerlifting. Snow skiing isn't superior to snowboarding. These sports are similar, yet very different at the same time. They all have their merit. They all have their fans.
MMA will continue to evolve in some ways. Boxing will grow in popularity again very soon. They don't have to be at odds with each other.
WIth all due repect to the obvious wrestling, jiu-jitsu, and kicking skills of the MMA guys as well as their conditioning, I don't see much boxing skills at all with these guys.
this is a fair point to make, but it could be that you, as someone who doesnt particularly care for MMA, may not have seen enough of it to make an accurate assessment. the fact is that there are former professional boxers, and olympic boxers in the UFC and WEC. and once in a while you may get what amounts to a boxing match between two skilled boxers. but to be fair, what you are likely to see is not a boxing match, due to the fact that it doesnt have to be a boxing match. there is always the variables of kicks, grappling, judo, and other martial arts that come into play. if one fighter feels he is losing the boxing match, he can attempt to make the fight a grappling match.
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I think this whole thread was started by a guy who feels threatened some how by MMA in that it has overtaken boxing in popularity in the U.S. in recent years.
it's good to see that youre at least sensible enough that, as a boxing fan and a person who doesnt particulary care for MMA, you can clearly recognize this fact.
what you are likely to see is not a boxing match, due to the fact that it doesnt have to be a boxing match.
And that is my whole point: it isn't boxing. It may, at times, include some boxing technique or style, but from what I see most of the time it turns into a grappling/wrestling match. Maybe a little kickboxing at times.
But you what REALLY turns me off to MMA? The chocking and hitting behind the head. To me that's when it just becomes a street fight or a brawl. But hey;that seems to be the appeal for some folks.
What former Olympic boxers are in the UFC or WEC? That has me stumped.
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MMA doesn't compare to even the history of boxing
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