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Old 06-30-2009, 10:06 AM
 
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An out of shape 47 year old Ray Mercer knocks out an out of shape 33 year old Tim Sylvia using MMA rules in 9 seconds. What does this tell us? It tells me that a skilled boxer will always have a distinct advantage over an MMA fighter when all things are equal. I think a boxer trained in the art of takedown defence can easily make the transition to MMA while a skilled MMA fighter(striker) will get his head blasted stepping into the boxing ring.
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Old 06-30-2009, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Warner Robins, GA
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An out of shape 47 year old Ray Mercer knocks out an out of shape 33 year old Tim Sylvia using MMA rules in 9 seconds. What does this tell us? It tells me that a skilled boxer will always have a distinct advantage over an MMA fighter when all things are equal. I think a boxer trained in the art of takedown defence can easily make the transition to MMA while a skilled MMA fighter(striker) will get his head blasted stepping into the boxing ring.
That is completely taken out of context... Ray Mercer while old was not completely out of shape... Sylvia came into the bout at 310 lbs, 45lbs over what he was in the UFC... Obviously Tim wasn't taking the fight seriously and walked right into Mercers bread and butter...

Wrestlers ruled the UFC for almost a decade... The bottom line is to make it into the upper echelon of MMA you have to be skilled in all disciplines... Name one fighter that has made a successful career using only his boxing and takedown defense...

MMA and boxing are different sports and you have to view them as such... Of course a MMA fighter would do terribly in a boxing match... Do you really think Floyd Mayweather could beat BJ Penn in an MMA fight?
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Old 06-30-2009, 02:06 PM
 
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It's hard for a boxer to deal with leg kicks and takedowns. Once on the ground, boxers would offer little resisitance to jiu jitsu submissions or ground and pound (beating the guy on the ground with fists and elbows). However, in a punching exchange, 99 times out of 100 the boxer will beat the MMA fighter
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:06 PM
 
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Boxing and MMA are so different that it's like comparing apples to oranges here. A professional boxer would get whipped on by most professional MMA guys in a MMA fight... a MMA guy would get whipped on by most professional boxers in a boxing match... what's your point?
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:16 PM
 
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It's hard for a boxer to deal with leg kicks and takedowns. Once on the ground, boxers would offer little resisitance to jiu jitsu submissions or ground and pound (beating the guy on the ground with fists and elbows). However, in a punching exchange, 99 times out of 100 the boxer will beat the MMA fighter
Mercer took a leg kick and gave a right hand..Game over.
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:24 PM
 
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MMA and boxing are different sports and you have to view them as such... Of course a MMA fighter would do terribly in a boxing match... Do you really think Floyd Mayweather could beat BJ Penn in an MMA fight?
My point was, If Floyd trained at MMA, takedown defense specifically, he would have a better shot than if BJ Penn focused solely on boxing. The rythm, athleticism and skill of boxers are rarely seen in MMA fighters. Those talents will more readliy transfer to other sports. Take Anderson Silva's last fight. He's considered a GREAT MMA striker if not THE best but wouldn't last a round with top super middleweight/light heavyweight boxers. His last opponent, a BJJ guy, was afraid to stand and fight, couldn't effect a takedown and proceeded to flop to his back for the last three rounds of the fight. A fight always starts on the feet and if you can't get a guy to accompany you to the ground you end up looking as stupid as that guy.
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Old 06-30-2009, 09:20 PM
 
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Put any boxer in a mma fight with Fedor and the boxer will lose and lose quick
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Old 07-01-2009, 12:44 AM
 
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I don't think you are reading. It's been said...MMA fighter will beat a Boxer in MMA fight and a Boxer will beat an MMA fighter in boxing.

Put Fedor versus Vitaly in boxing and we all know what will happen.
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Old 07-01-2009, 12:06 PM
 
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Put any boxer in a mma fight with Fedor and the boxer will lose and lose quick
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I don't think you are reading. It's been said...MMA fighter will beat a Boxer in MMA fight and a Boxer will beat an MMA fighter in boxing.

Put Fedor versus Vitaly in boxing and we all know what will happen.
I've been reading just fine. Put Fedor in against Vitaly and Fedor might get knocked out going for the takedown and if unsuccesful at securing a takedown, he'll definately get KO'd. An MMA fighter is/would be dependant on the takedown when fighting a boxer was my point. An MMA/Boxing contest always starts standing. A takedown is not guaranteed.
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Old 07-01-2009, 12:13 PM
 
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My point was, If Floyd trained at MMA, takedown defense specifically, he would have a better shot than if BJ Penn focused solely on boxing. The rythm, athleticism and skill of boxers are rarely seen in MMA fighters. Those talents will more readliy transfer to other sports. Take Anderson Silva's last fight. He's considered a GREAT MMA striker if not THE best but wouldn't last a round with top super middleweight/light heavyweight boxers. His last opponent, a BJJ guy, was afraid to stand and fight, couldn't effect a takedown and proceeded to flop to his back for the last three rounds of the fight. A fight always starts on the feet and if you can't get a guy to accompany you to the ground you end up looking as stupid as that guy.
We are still comparing apples to oranges here... Mayweather could train straight takedown defense for 5 years and still not be able to stop a takedown from Sean Sherk... There have been plenty of people that have come from boxing backgrounds that have proceeded to get put on their back without landing a punch...

To say that MMA fighters lack the skill and athleticism that boxers have is just plain ludicrous... Have you seen Josh Koscheck land a takedown? Starts at one end of the cage and ends at the other in a split second... That is pure athleticism...

I love boxing and respect the greats that boxing has produced but for the most part boxing is boring compared to MMA... MMA provides so many more ways to finish the fights... The difference is especially apparent in the lighter weight classes... In boxing they are too small and wear big pillowcase gloves and can't knock their opponent out... In MMA knockouts even at the 135lb weight class occur regularly... Plus the fight can be taken to the ground and ended there...

Oh and don't use Silvas last fight as an indicator for his skill... Look at his fights with Franklin, Irvin, and Leben, his punching is so accurate it is sick and he barely takes any damage...
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