Learning From A Real Fight

[jimboburnsy]

Originally Posted by rigas

i tend to agree gplex, 99% of knife users/attackers are not skilled or trained in anyway but more a thug and nothing more. if someone is trained in knife fighting they DO NOT ATTACK someone.

the most common knife attack is the "jab/stab" type attack which is actually the easiest to defend against. a slash is a bit more difficult. by this i mean most attackers are looking to stab you with the knife, not slice a vein or something so pretty much a straight forward attack.

That's a good point. You probably don't need to worry too much about being beset by escrimadors who are going to cut you to ribbons.

However, trained or not, I would definitely prefer to run from a knife fight (or shoot my way out of it) because all someone really needs to be in order to open an artery with a knife is lucky or maybe just quick. You're chances of running into someone with a knife who is quick or can get lucky are probably pretty good (relative to running into an edged weapons expert, anyway).

[Rggr]

Originally Posted by jimboburnsy

That's a good point. You probably don't need to worry too much about being beset by escrimadors who are going to cut you to ribbons.

However, trained or not, I would definitely prefer to run from a knife fight (or shoot my way out of it) because all someone really needs to be in order to open an artery with a knife is lucky or maybe just quick. You're chances of running into someone with a knife who is quick or can get lucky are probably pretty good (relative to running into an edged weapons expert, anyway).

I agree. I would also agree on the subject that you aren't likely to be confronted by someone formally trained. I would caution that while we in formal training train to be effective in the real world, there are some that are trained by the real world that have never stepped into a dojo. That's why I think you have to assume that the attacker could be the most dangerous person on the planet.

[LSone]

Originally Posted by jimboburnsy

I agree.

But pulling guard or clenching doesn't, in my opinion, provide adequate protection against someone sliding a knife between your ribs, grabbing-twisting-pulling your testes, biting your ear or nose or jabbing a thumb in your eye.

Based on this video, the prison guard was getting pummeled repeatedly from the side mount to the full mount and then side mount again, etc...

Pulling guard or even half guard is his best way of improving his chances, especially to lessen the punches and their effect....and giving him a better chance of sweeping.

This inmate (in the current positions), can already slide a knife into the guy's ribs, grab testes, bite ear, nose and jab a thumb in the eyes.....and with much more ease compared to being in someone's guard.

How is pulling guard not an improvement for the prison guard being beaten?

[LSone]

Originally Posted by jimboburnsy

Joint locks and fancy choke submissions where your enemy has access to your groin are probably not. If he can reach your eyes, your throat or your genitals, don't do it.

Can you be more specific on which one of these fancy choke submissions or joint locks that you're talking about?

When a Jujutsuka fights in the streets, he's not taught to pull or jump guard. We go for dominant positioning such as the full mount or side control after a takedown. From that position, we can rain punches with an enormous advantage in leverage and/or start dislocating joints. And then go back to raining punches on a guy who's in pain from a broken arm, wrist, etc.

And a choke, well that can be either a nighty night move to a permanent brain damage move....to even a death move. Depends on how pissed off you are or how many witnesses are around.

And if someone tries to eye gouge, bite, throat strike and/or squeeze my beautifully shaved nuts.....while I'm IN A DOMINANT POSITION such as the full mount..... I have more than adequate leverage to move, block or just posture up.....and now I'm really pissed and again, have better leverage to do better at what he just attempted, and start by ripping out his eyeballs.

The guard is a defensive position that's usually an advantage position in sports Jiu-Jitsu.....while in MMA, it's neutral to disadvantage (due to ground & pound). However, it's the best position to strive for if you're being fully mounted and getting your azz kicked on the ground....in MOST types of fight situations.

[LSone]

Originally Posted by jimboburnsy

I'm not trying to discredit anything that you have learned, I'm just saying that if you are really faced with a confrontation that could interfere with your ability to go home to your family I think that defensive-mindedness is a mistake. No reason to let someone who wants to hurt you and poses a credible threat throw the first strike and there isn't really any reason not to throw the first strike to the balls, the tip of the nose, the button of the chin, the center of the ear or with a brick. Just do everything you can to be sure you're in a position to "take the first turn" and you will give yourself the best chance of extricating yourself from a bad spot.

Well this all depends b/c you will never know, with 100% certainty, when a situation is such a life & death one or it's just some loudmouth who's all talk or a drunk at a bar, etc.

You can't just punch someone or kick them in the nuts first, especially if there are witnesses, surveillance cameras, etc. You can face charges of assault and battery....then there are the civil suits afterwards. You can go to jail, lose your job, your house.... spend all of your savings on legal defense and then go into debt for many years afterwards. Your life can easily be ruined by a felony conviction.

I was in such as situation about 2 months ago. This guy was right in my face and the both of us yelling at the top of our lungs. He could have pulled a knife and stabbed me or just get a really easy first shot at my nuts, throat, etc. and be at an great advantage to finish me off. And I was in perfect range for my Muay Thai elbows, clinch, knees, etc. We were in a wooded area too. But I had flashes of cops, prosecutors, legal fees, etc. while yelling at him. Luckily, it was broken up by passers by. Basically, I had confidence in my many years of MA training, sparring, past fights etc...to take the risk of being hit/injured first (and start fighting from a disadvantage point) vs. a guaranteed jail sentence for being the first striker.