about "Sugar" Rashad Evans (athletic, record, fight, game)

[Linson]

Originally Posted by rigas

rampage is playing the heel, rashad (like all greg jackson fighters aka danas boys)are the heroes. thats the bottom line.

lol.

okay. explain that.

[rigas]

all i have to say is when was the last time you saw a jackson fighter on danas "sh** list?" hell dana at one point kicked every single fighter from AKA out of the ufc because 2-3 didnt want to sign their souls away to him. dana loves greg jackson and his boys as well.

[Linson]

your point is absolutely ridiculous and makes no sense at all.

how many fighters have ever been on Dana White's ****list?

what does being on Dana White's ****list entail? what happens when youre on Dana's ****list?

how do you get on Dana's ****list?

who was the last fighter from Greg Jackson's camp to do anything to warrant ending up on Dana's ****list?

what in the blue heck are you talking about?

[rigas]

hmmm let me see, EVERY fighter at AKA was kicked out of the ufc for not agreeing to sign a contract that would allow dana (and zuffa) to own the rights to their likeness for the rest of their lifes with no compensation what so ever.

tito ortiz, bj penn, andrei arlovski, all on danas "sh** list" at one point or another, rampage is on the list.

in other words any fighter who doesnt suck danas **** and jump to his every whim (like the jackson guys do)

it really doesnt mater what anyone says to you buddy, your head is obviously so far up rashads tail it would never mater.

but hey have a great day.

[Linson]

[quote=rigas;11264631]

hmmm let me see, EVERY fighter at AKA was kicked out of the ufc for not agreeing to sign a contract that would allow dana (and zuffa) to own the rights to their likeness for the rest of their lifes with no compensation what so ever.

you mean this:

Just a few days ago, Fitch was still on the UFC radar after rumors suggested he had agreed to fight Akihiro Gono on the undercard of Jan. 31's Georges St. Pierre vs. B.J. Penn card.

In the past, Fitch has been held up by White as an example of what was good about the sport for his willingness to fight anyone, anywhere. He holds a 19-3 lifetime record and an 8-1 mark in the UFC.

In his last fight, the 30-year-old Fitch lost a spirited five-round decision to current champion Georges St. Pierre in the main event of UFC 87. The loss snapped a run of eight straight UFC wins, which ties him for longest-winning streak in the octagon with legend Royce Gracie and current middleweight champ Anderson Silva.

For his efforts, White said Fitch made $169,000.

"Where else is he going to make that kind of money in one night?" White asked about Fitch, who is still currently ranked as one of the top five 170-pounders in the world by most polls.

Fitch voiced a displeasure with the lifetime rights issue, but White took umbrage, saying, "Here's a better question for you. Jon Fitch goes off and becomes a huge superstar in another league somewhere else... Do you think we're going to keep him in the video game? Do you really think we're going to keep him in the game? It's common sense. People are so stupid sometimes it hurts my brain."

White said the problem extends to every AKA fighter, including star welterweight Josh Koscheck and rising heavyweight contender Cain Velasquez. The only exception was Mike Swick, who personally called the UFC President to say he wanted to stay with the company whatever it takes.

But that could mean the end for Koscheck, who took a fight with Thiago Alves on short notice on Oct. 25, and will also fight in the main event of a Dec. 10 UFC show against Yushiyuki Yoshida.

According to SpikeTV spokesman David Schwarz, both Koscheck and Swick are expected to remain on that card.

According to a source that has worked with THQ in the past, coding the upcoming game would require finalizing the roster around six months in advance. With the release date scheduled for May 24, the current trouble falls into the timeframe.

In other instances, the company can make a deal with a centralized body, whether a player union or company for an athlete's rights, but in the case of UFC fighters, they also had to deal with different management groups, leading to some difficulty.

Other pro athletes have had similar issues with licensing. In 1992, Michael Jordan backed out of the NBA's group licensing agreement to reach his own personal agreement with the league. In 2003, Barry Bonds refused to sign MLB's group licensing agreement, also going out on his own.

Still, White says that the issue isn't personal, and that he only wished the fighters and their managers could see all the work the company has put in to get them to this point.

"It's all the guys in AKA, period. But it has nothing to do with those fighters personally, it's those idiots that run it."

sounds like no one is on anybody's ****list (as in nothing personal), sounds to me like there is an issue of business; i.e. money; specifically, video game money. sounds to me like the UFC made so much money on the last video game release that Dana is willing to fire anyone he cant put in the follow up.

i like those guys: Fitch, Koscheck, Swick. i root for those guys. but i will say this - there are only a few guys in the UFC that are over enough to even think about getting their own licensing agreement, and those guys at AKA arent any of them. i mean, why would those guys want to go to any other organization.

tito ortiz

why. for ducking Chuck? for talking ****? are you saying that you are 100 percent behind Tito when it comes to that feud?

bj penn

i'm not sure what youre talking about

andrei arlovski

did he walk out on a contract or was he fired from the UFC? ive heard Dana say that he's made mistakes with Arlovski and wants him back, and i've heard him say that he doesnt want him back. so i dont know whats going on with that.

but that's like two or three guys - total. so your point is silly and is pure speculation on your part. you make it sound like Dana White throws salt in other fighters' eyes so that Jackson's guys can win a title and then Jackson's guys are fed easy fights.

rampage is on the list.

and you say this based on what? because he's losing TUF??? youre saying that's editing? he isnt really 0 for 5? or when Rampage admitted that he doesnt go tend to his fighters when they lose - that was also editing to make him look bad?

did Dana fire Rampage over this A-Team movie?

in other words any fighter who doesnt suck danas **** and jump to his every whim (like the jackson guys do)

and the Jackson guys figuratively engage in homosexual felatio with Dana White and jump through hoops by doing what exactly? taking fights? seriously, give an example of what youre talking about - if you can. but we both know you can't.

it really doesnt mater what anyone says to you buddy, your head is obviously so far up rashads tail it would never mater.

yeah, obviously. why? for questioning the unpopularity of a fighter who hasnt done anything to deserve all the negativity that he gets? for questioning your baseless assertions that Greg Jackson's camp are a bunch of ass-kissers who achieve success through inter-company politics? (btw, the logic you use to support this theory - that two or three guys who weren't in Greg Jackson's camp have had issues with Dana White - is pretty um...rudimentary.)

but hey have a great day.

i take it this is your out? your way of pretending that you are finished with me and my silliness after having dropped some sort of truth bomb? you're not fooling anyone. you havn't proven your point at all. all you've done is show that youre willing to grasp at straws in order to defend your understanding of the world instead of trying open your mind to see things from a new perspective. and anybody who reads these threads can see it.

[Kimbo Slice]

Rashad is cool. He\'s like the Pernell Whitaker of MMA. A. Silva uses similar head movement. People think he\'s being a jerk, but he\'s being a smart defensive fighter.

[cool rob]

$169,000 is a big pay day in the UFC? Dana is a scumbag, robbing those guys blind!

[Linson]

^ i agree with that. plus, that was a title fight for **** sake! those guys should definitely get paid more. especially when you consider the amount of money boxers make.

[cool rob]

Originally Posted by Linson

^ i agree with that. plus, that was a title fight for **** sake! those guys should definitely get paid more. especially when you consider the amount of money boxers make.

Right! plus the fact that Dana is making a killing:

PPV
Prices at Door/Beer/Souveneirs
Merchandising (video game, Using the likeness of UFC fighters)
Branding/Advertising
TUF show commerical revenue

Dana is raking in dough like this and is bragging about paying a guy 169 K, as if that is a lot of bread? After taxes and training, i'm thinking the guy might bring home about 75 K? I would really hate to see what the smaller fish are getting, I'm thinking around 5-10 k a fight, maybe?

It seems that MMA is universal enough now for fighters to start demanding more money from Dana, thus upping the anty from rival programs, there is no way this debaurcery would fly in boxing, or any other sport for that matter. Dana hasn't been hit hard enough in the pockets yet, his day will come though, this is plain wrong!

[rigas]

ok here is the deal on pay. a lot of the fighters dont make a living in the actual fight, they live off of sponsors.

the last posted payroll of any ufc i can find was ufc 102.

MMAPayout.com has learned from the Oregon State Athletic Commission that the total disclosed payroll for UFC 102 was $1,285,000. The fight by fight breakdown:
Antonio Nogueira ($250,000 + $150,000 = $400,000) d. Randy Couture ($250,000)
Thiago Silva ($29,000 + $29,000 = $58,000) d. Keith Jardine ($55,000)
Jake Rosholt ($13,000 + $13,000 = $26,000) d. Chris Leben ($30,000)
Nate Marquardt ($40,000 + $40,000 = $80,000) d. Damien Maia ($28,000)
Brandon Vera ($35,000 + $35,000 = $70,000) d. Krzysztof Soszynski ($8,000)
Aaron Simpson ($9,000 + $9,000 = $18,000) d. Ed Herman ($24,000)
Gabriel Gonzaga ($60,000 + $60,000 = $120,000) d. Chris Tuchscherer ( $10,000)
Mike Russow ($10,000 + $10,000 = $20,000) d. Justin McCully ($15,000)
Todd Duffee ( $5,000 + $5,000 = $10,000) d. Tim Hague ($7,000)
Mark Munoz ($12,000 + $12,000 = $24,000) d. Nick Catone ($5,000)
Evan Dunham ($7,000 + $7,000 = $14,000) d. Marcus Aurelio ($13,000)

now consider the irs is going to take as much as 42% (the ufc doesnt match taxes for fighters), and if anyone had to go to the hospital, the ufc is rumored to not pay the doctor bills either. so looking at nick catone who made $5000, the irs is going to take about 30% +/- leaving him $3500. if he can get 4 fights a year that pays him about $14,000 year. now he has to pay trainers, corner men, agents and so on out of his pocket. most of these guys have an agreement with the fighters to get a % of their purse. some as high as 20%. so now his $5000 got cut to $2500 (if he is lucky with his "help"). so pretty much with no sponsors he would not be able to fight without a "second job. sure some of the other guys make good money, but how many randys, chucks, and brocks are there?

now all that said think about this one, strikeforce has a new light heavy champ, IMO the best 205 lb fighter in the world, gegard musasi. when he took all of 60 seconds to destroy babalu, he came in from europe, and he got paid a grand total of $2000. now i am sure he got paid much like fedor dos when he fights her e in the usa, over seas to "beat the irs" so to speak. in the long run the ufc has the highest payouts, but the fighters in both promotions have the same sponsors. it is just that the ufc is a bigger name so the sponsors pay more to the fighters to get their name on a pair of shorts (see condom depot on your ass) in the ufc.

That’s surely the last time you’ll see Mousasi fight for such cut-rate prices.
The Strikeforce: Carano vs. Cyborg total payouts:
Cristiane Santos: $25,000 (includes $5,000 win bonus)
Gina Carano: $125,000
Santos defeated Carano via technical knockout (strikes) at 4:59 of round one
Gegard Mousasi: $2,000 (no win bonus)
Renato Sobral: $75,000
Mousasi defeated Sobral via technical knockout (strikes) at 1:00 of round one
Gilbert Melendez: $50,000 (no win bonus)
Mitsuhiro Ishida: $30,000
Melendez defeated Ishida via technical knockout (strikes) at 3:56 of round three
Fabricio Werdum: $50,000 (includes $25,000 win bonus)
Mike Kyle: $14,000
Werdum defeated Kyle via submission (guillotine choke) at 1:24 of round one
Jay Hieron: $55,000 (includes $30,000 win bonus)
Jesse Taylor: $12,000
Hieron defeated Taylor via unanimous decision
Scott Lighty: $4,000 (no win bonus)
Mike Cook: $2,500
Lighty defeated Cook via technical knockout (strikes) at 2:05 of round one
Justin Wilcox: $5,000 (includes $2,500 win bonus)
David Douglas: $5,500
Wilcox defeated Douglas via submission (rear naked choke) at 3:16 of round three
James Terry: $6,000 (includes $3,000 win bonus)
Zak Bucia: $2,000
Terry defeated Bucia via technical knockout (strikes) at 1:23 of round one
Alexander Trevino: $3,500 (includes $1,500 win bonus)
Isaiah Hill: $2,000