03-23-2011, 09:26 AM
Location: Hillsboro, OR
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PortCity
Mobile is a better city all around and you would know that if you visited as much as you say you did.Yeah Pensacola may have a higher medium income but for a metro that is larger than Mobile`s we have a higher GDP.This is about development in Mobile not MOBILE vs pensacola.I like Pensacola so I`ll leave it as that I don`t want the thread to be locked.
The issue with respect to mean income is something IKEA looks at when locating to an area... it's relevant.
Now I'm not saying Pensacola deserves an IKEA over Mobile... neither area can support one with the respective population bases.
03-23-2011, 09:32 AM
Location: Mobile,Al(the city by the bay)
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The issue with respect to mean income is something IKEA looks at when locating to an area... it's relevant.
I get you point they sem to be in metroes with a population of 2 mill +.with Jackson,Mobile,Baldwin,and Escambia the area is only like 1.1 million maybe which is still small.
I assume the OP was talking about a distribution center.
03-23-2011, 09:38 AM
Location: Hillsboro, OR
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Yes,I've been to the one here in Atlanta. Mobile has enough blight put one in downtown or midtown if it really wanted.
The issue is where IKEA wants to go... not where Mobile wants it to go.
Another place that it could go (again, magical unicorns) would be near the Eastern Shore Center. The surrounding new developments would match the IKEA well.
FWIW, here are some cities that do not have an IKEA due to inability to support one:
Las Vegas, NV
San Antonio, TX
Birmingham, AL
Indianapolis, IN
Kansas City, MO
St. Louis, MO
Memphis, TN
Nashville, TN
Louisville, KY
Denver, CO (Though one is going to open in Fall 2011)
Cleveland, OH
Buffalo, NY
All of these places are significantly larger than Mobile.
03-23-2011, 09:41 AM
Location: Hillsboro, OR
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I get you point they sem to be in metroes with a population of 2 mill +.with Jackson,Mobile,Baldwin,and Escambia the area is only like 1.1 million maybe which is still small.
Eh, the OP was mentioning year-round/seasonal traffic with respect to Panama City... I don't think that's the case. The IKEA distribution center in Tacoma, for example, employs about 125 workers.
03-23-2011, 09:50 AM
Location: Mobile,Al(the city by the bay)
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Shocked to see Cleveland,Buffalo,Nashville,and San Antonio on that list.
03-23-2011, 09:53 AM
Location: Hillsboro, OR
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Shocked to see Cleveland,Buffalo,Nashville,and San Antonio on that list.
Yeah I was surprised to see that number... but I suppose it doesn't take a lot of people to coordinate and move IKEA products since they are already well bundled and packaged. They are a super efficient company.
03-23-2011, 01:02 PM
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I'm originally from Pensacola... I've been to Mobile plenty of times. You are not as big as you think you are.
Pensacola is bigger because of the counties included, with Baldwin County being added back our metro will be bigger by 130-150,000 at 596,000.
And because you are from down here, I will take back my comment, I just get mad at people who come in the forum just for trying to bash Mobile.
Pcola should be in the CSA, I know the % thing but I see enough FL Tags daily. If we won the tanker contract, I think Escambia, maybe even Okaloosa and Santa Rosa would have been added to the CSA. With MS counties, that 1.3-1.5 Million.
03-23-2011, 01:24 PM
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I just can't imagine a place more out of sync with the Ikea vibe than Mobile. When I think of Ikea, I think modern, cold, a little edgy... not what comes to mind with Mobile. I do like their accessories, and the stores are fun to wander through; they're so huge that they need a cafeteria, as shoppers are starved and dead tired by the time they make it through the whole store!
03-23-2011, 01:32 PM
Location: Hillsboro, OR
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Considering IKEAs prices I'm not sure how income matters. It's know as a "cheap" furniture store.
It's the target demographic. IKEA's biggest draws and targets are young college graduates to Gen Xers.
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Pensacola is bigger because of the counties included, with Baldwin County being added back our metro will be bigger by 130-150,000 at 596,000.
All of Baldwin County is not going to be a part of the Mobile metro area... none of it is now, although the eastern shore needs to be. SE Baldwin.. especially Orange Beach (perhaps not Gulf Shores/Foley) is much more a part of the Pensacola MSA.
Escambia's area is much smaller than Mobile Co's area and the ties between Pensacola and Santa Rosa Co. are much stronger than that between Mobile and further areas of Baldwin Co.... that's why Pensacola is bigger.
Also, CSA wise, one day Mobile and Pensacola will be the same once growth resumes and becomes substantial between the two cities... Maybe in 30 years or so. When the Wilcox Rd exit looks crazy and there is an additional exit between it and the FL/AL state line, then let me know.
03-23-2011, 02:04 PM
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It's the target demographic. IKEA's biggest draws and targets are young college graduates to Gen Xers.
All of Baldwin County is not going to be a part of the Mobile metro area... none of it is now, although the eastern shore needs to be. SE Baldwin.. especially Orange Beach (perhaps not Gulf Shores/Foley) is much more a part of the Pensacola MSA.
Escambia's area is much smaller than Mobile Co's area and the ties between Pensacola and Santa Rosa Co. are much stronger than that between Mobile and further areas of Baldwin Co.... that's why Pensacola is bigger.
Also, CSA wise, one day Mobile and Pensacola will be the same once growth resumes and becomes substantial between the two cities... Maybe in 30 years or so. When the Wilcox Rd exit looks crazy and there is an additional exit between it and the FL/AL state line, then let me know.
Ok, that would be some massive sprawl considering Mobile and Pccola are still 60 miles apart. Even Houston and Atlanta don't sprawl like that. Go 60 miles east from ATL and you are pretty much in Athens. The areas could infill though.
Anyways the only thing I notice better about Pcola vs Mobile is Pcola has closer beaches a nicer mall and a bigger music scene(though Mobile is no slouch for it's size). When lived in Mobile I mostly went to Pcola for big shows and my Aunt and Uncle. Gulfshores and Dauphin Island are closer to Mobile for beaches and in Gulshores case just as good. Basically it was a nice change of scenery sometimes but good enough for me to say nothing to say "I wish I grew up in Pcola instead of Mobile".
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People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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