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Old 08-28-2010, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Philthadelphia, PA
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just returned from a trip to your beautiful state, visiting my brother who's in livingston. we currently live in philadelphia, pa and have had it (up to here) with congestion and the whole urban lifestyle. i grew up on my grandparent's 65 acre farm and want some of that for my children (and myself). my darling husband (currently serving in afghanistan) is thrilled about the idea of moving to the livingston/bozeman area. we would be bringing my almost-retired parents with us and hopefully getting a nice 10-20 acre plot where we can have some space! we want to have a decent size garden, apple trees, berries, chickens, maybe a pig or 2, and a horse as well. does anyone have advice on establishment and maintenance for these things in your climate? also any hints on keeping wildlife (i.e. coyotes, etc) away from our stock and crops.... thanks in advance
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Old 08-29-2010, 11:13 AM
 
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NO ONE has anything to say??? oh my, maybe i should take that as a sign NOT to have chickens. the coyotes/foxes/hawks have eaten them all.... no gardeners/homstead-types on here???
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Old 08-29-2010, 11:25 AM
 
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Hi Wildflower. Not sure why you aren't getting any replies. A friendly bunch of folks are on the "porch" on the Montana "Let's Visit" thread. Why don't you post the same questions there. I am in south Florida so I can't help you. I love Montana and just returned from a road trip to Red Lodge. Good luck to you!!
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Old 08-29-2010, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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NO ONE has anything to say??? oh my, maybe i should take that as a sign NOT to have chickens. the coyotes/foxes/hawks have eaten them all.... no gardeners/homstead-types on here???
Montana is a very diverse state, from Yuppy's around Flathead to Ranchers around Kalispel to Farmers around Miles City. There are all walks of life and they are around completely different geographical areas.

What threats there are to farmyard animals in the Bear Tooths are a completely different threat if you lived in Glendive.

So to ask how chickens will do and will the coyotes mess with them. Sure, but in some area's, the chickens will attract wolves, bear and other critters that you need to be more concerned about.

By the way, the people on the Porch are the same people that read all the threads, every day.

There are some areas that a nice garden is almost impossible and chicken houses almost have to have central heat. And often, one area that you can't raise chickens is only a couple miles from a place where raising chickens is common. Same with gardens.

Below zero temps will cause you to insulate or at least tighten up a chicken house. Wind in some places will cause your chicken house to lean so build it with a 4 degree slant to the NorthWest when you start.

Give your post a day or so and you'll see people from that area chiming in. It's a weekend, people tend to head out with the family and do a little fishing and maybe a picnic.

Myself, today we're digging a pit. 2 of our favorite hogs are going to be stored in the pit next weekend for about 15 hours. Later today, we're going to go cut a couple cord of hard wood to make a nice base for our pit.
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Old 08-29-2010, 12:58 PM
 
Location: NW Montana
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NO ONE has anything to say??? oh my, maybe i should take that as a sign NOT to have chickens. the coyotes/foxes/hawks have eaten them all.... no gardeners/homstead-types on here???
Hello and welcome...
We are few posters, so gaps happen!
Here are some links to get you started,
Livingston Montana

BTW thank you to you and your husband for your service!
Our troops are welcomed here.
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Old 08-29-2010, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Philthadelphia, PA
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thanks! my husband will be home in about 10 weeks - we can't wait. then we can really get down to brass tacks in planning our relocation. we are looking at the rural-ish areas on the outskirts of livingston & bozeman, since my hub. will be going back to school and we won't be too far for his commute, yet will have enough space to spread out a bit. where we are in philadelphia, it is so horribly crowded and after 8 years here, i still can't get used to having neighbors this close. i am a country person, no matter how long i live in this city. we are so excited about the idea of having a little farm life, hard work and all. i miss the smell of manure!

i understand that specific location dictates a lot of the weather. that direction and elevation plays a big role in how much snow/wind/sun one gets. the one thing i look forward to is a lack of humidity. here in the east it is horribly hot and humid and i can't wait for winter. we will hopefully be able to find a parcel with some good exposure that will work for what we want to do.

thanks for the welcome - i am happy to make some new friends!
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Old 08-29-2010, 07:54 PM
 
Location: C-U metro
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thanks! my husband will be home in about 10 weeks - we can't wait. then we can really get down to brass tacks in planning our relocation. we are looking at the rural-ish areas on the outskirts of livingston & bozeman, since my hub. will be going back to school and we won't be too far for his commute, yet will have enough space to spread out a bit. where we are in philadelphia, it is so horribly crowded and after 8 years here, i still can't get used to having neighbors this close. i am a country person, no matter how long i live in this city. we are so excited about the idea of having a little farm life, hard work and all. i miss the smell of manure! ....

thanks for the welcome - i am happy to make some new friends!
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned how big of a pile of money you will need to do what you want. I will caution you on Bridger Canyon. It did have some of the tightest zoning in the state and requires 40 acres for 1 home. There are a couple of parcels there that are mainly for grazing and under the 40 acre cap. Out of staters buy them and think they're going to have the ranchette or subdivide it and are shocked to pay a lot of money for something they can't even build on. They failed to change the zoning a few years ago when Bridger Bowl wanted to build a bunch of condos near the base. I don't know if the 40 acre requirement has been weakened slightly (ie. 40 to 30).

I would imagine 10-20 acres of unimproved land (no electric, no gas, no sewer, no water rights) would run between 100k to 400k (10k to 20k an acre). Maybe someone else has a better idea of the market but that would be my estimate.
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Old 08-29-2010, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Philthadelphia, PA
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i have actually logged many MANY hours on realtor.com and am happy to say we can get 10-20 acres with a nice house already on it for mid $300's and under. granted, anything we get will need some improvements and/or changes made, but we can do that ourselves. i'm not talking hire a contractor - i mean really do it ourselves. and i have done drive-by's on lots of these listing while we were just out there 2 weeks ago and stuff looks very promising. and we'll be careful about the zoning too. we would like to be able to build a house for my brother and his family on our lot too (so subdivide just once). someday. i will remain cautiously optimistic!
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Old 08-29-2010, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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i understand that specific location dictates a lot of the weather. that direction and elevation plays a big role in how much snow/wind/sun one gets. the one thing i look forward to is a lack of humidity. here in the east it is horribly hot and humid and i can't wait for winter. we will hopefully be able to find a parcel with some good exposure that will work for what we want to do.

thanks for the welcome - i am happy to make some new friends!
Oh there's plenty of humidity. Only it's white and you have to Shovel it.

Yes, I would think that lack of humidity is going to be a real plus. I've lived along the East Coast and couldn't stand the humidity.
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Old 08-29-2010, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Philthadelphia, PA
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Montana is a very diverse state, from Yuppy's around Flathead to Ranchers around Kalispel to Farmers around Miles City. There are all walks of life and they are around completely different geographical areas.

What threats there are to farmyard animals in the Bear Tooths are a completely different threat if you lived in Glendive.

So to ask how chickens will do and will the coyotes mess with them. Sure, but in some area's, the chickens will attract wolves, bear and other critters that you need to be more concerned about.

By the way, the people on the Porch are the same people that read all the threads, every day.

There are some areas that a nice garden is almost impossible and chicken houses almost have to have central heat. And often, one area that you can't raise chickens is only a couple miles from a place where raising chickens is common. Same with gardens.

Below zero temps will cause you to insulate or at least tighten up a chicken house. Wind in some places will cause your chicken house to lean so build it with a 4 degree slant to the NorthWest when you start.

Give your post a day or so and you'll see people from that area chiming in. It's a weekend, people tend to head out with the family and do a little fishing and maybe a picnic.

Myself, today we're digging a pit. 2 of our favorite hogs are going to be stored in the pit next weekend for about 15 hours. Later today, we're going to go cut a couple cord of hard wood to make a nice base for our pit.
thanks elkhunter you have hogs? i would like to have 1 or 2, altho my only experience is with chickens and horses. i have so many questions for a sucessful hog-keeper such as yourself...
do you get them as piglets in the spring and raise them till the late fall? from what i have read, unless you breed them, it's no good to keep them past that age as they go fatty on you. do you have any problems with wildlife after them? what is their shelter like? a barn?
thanks
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