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Old 10-06-2011, 11:43 AM
 
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Also, castration might help.. since I will NOT be breeding him.
For those of us who follow the Biblical Commandments, according to Lev. 22:24 Not to castrate the male of any species; neither a man, nor a domestic or wild beast, nor a fowl, we do not have such an option.
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Rez... THANK YOU!!! I see my problem! I was giving him treats and hugs and kisses. So I was basically kissing his Arse! LOL
Okie Dokie.. that is gonna stop as of now. Will give him GOOD BOY! when he does good. and no treats til AFTER the training session is over.
Yep, that's the spirit. Discipline isn't about punishment (tho punishment can be part of it, if necessary), rather, it is about consequences. Pull on the leash and the consequence is that the crazy human turns around and goes the opposite direction (be sure to leave the leash LOOSE so there's lots of room to make his mistake!) and suddenly the dog gets pulled up short and finds himself pointing the wrong direction, while the human goes somewhere else entirely and is already 10 feet away. Pretty soon the dog believes you are a lunatic who can't be counted on to walk in a straight line, and is watching you closely, from the only position that's safe -- next to your knee. And if he's not paying attention or tries to crowd you, don't be afraid to turn sharply into him, knee to the head -- HE is supposed to watch YOU. It is NOT your responsibility to watch him. And your space is sacred. The human never gets out of the dog's way. (Some get real clever about walking in front of the human, if they know the human won't trample them.)

And remember, loose lead (if you have trouble remembering that, loop the handle thru a sturdy belt and put your hands in your pockets, you'll be amazed how the dog reacts!) The habutual tight lead does two things against you: it triggers the "sled dog" instinct, and it telegraphs your every move, so the dog feels free to NOT watch you.

Once you get the message across and he starts responding to you, you can actually have a lot of fun together doing complicated heeling patterns, where the game is for you to lead and him to follow as if glued to your knee, like a mirror dance. -- After I had ten minutes with my sister's unschooled brat, he was doing so well we had competition obedience trainers stopping to watch (we were at a dog show) -- even going backwards in tight circles, he stayed right with me.

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I have a flat adjustable nylon collar with a part choke on it.
That's absolutely the worst of both worlds. It has a lot of "warning time" yet no snap when he hits the end of the leash. You need either a very stiff flat buckle (NOT adjustable) nylon collar, snugly fitted just below his ears, or a choke that just barely fits over his head. The point is that it should not cushion him from his mistakes, nor give him lots of warning like a too-large collar does. Also, nylon lead, not leather, for the same reason.

Aside from not having proper effect otherwise, GSDs have a tendency to back out of the collar when they want their own way, so it really does have to be snug.

If you have too much trouble at first you can use a pinch collar, mainly it makes it easier for someone who doesn't have real strong hands or good body balance (when he hits the end of the leash going the wrong way, you should balance against that with your body, NOT try to jerk with your arms). But he should graduate from that pretty quick, if you're going the right way.

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So maybe I will also stop with the babying too until I have the BOSS issue under control.
Yep. Good luck!

And what Seven said too.
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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For those of us who follow the Biblical Commandments, according to Lev. 22:24 Not to castrate the male of any species; neither a man, nor a domestic or wild beast, nor a fowl, we do not have such an option.
Castration has become a substitute for dog training, as it tends to put the male dog into a permanently juvenile mindset.... and when people can't discipline their dog, well, it's easier to deal with a permanent puppy. On the flipside, it also takes something out of them, they just aren't the same in their desire to work, and tend to become more self-centered and less people-oriented. Also, if they were already fearful or aggressive, they often become worse. In short, neutering a dog because it's not well-trained is like painting a house to get rid of termites. It doesn't work.

There are also health consequences, almost entirely negative:

Canine Sports Productions: Early Spay-Neuter Considerations for the Canine Athlete

http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongT...uterInDogs.pdf
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Montana
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[quote=Reziac;21177909]Castration has become a substitute for dog training, as it tends to put the male dog into a permanently juvenile mindset.... and when people can't discipline their dog, well, it's easier to deal with a permanent puppy. On the flipside, it also takes something out of them, they just aren't the same in their desire to work, and tend to become more self-centered and less people-oriented. Also, if they were already fearful or aggressive, they often become worse. In short, neutering a dog because it's not well-trained is like painting a house to get rid of termites. It doesn't work.

There are also health consequences, almost entirely negative:
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You should explain that to my ex-wife!
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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Gosh EH... can I send Bruno to you to finish out his training!!?? lol. Dadburn fool dog is so stubborn. As many times as he has been walked and I have corrected him.. he still wants to lead. And I mean I have had to use some mighty harsh corrections too. He doesnt want to "stay". .. as soon as I move off or turn my back... he moves. The "leave it" command.. he understands but there are times he pushes it. and his aggression towards other dogs is ridiculous!
He's a smart dog. But he is just hard headed. I have had to resort to putting him on the chain now when he is outside because he has learned to jump the fence. I absolutely HATE chaining a dog up.
Dont have the money right now for a kennel and I would much rather see him have full use of the yard.
Mom says she hasnt seen any snakes around here. Thank goodness for that! I'd be afraid that would be one of the first things he got mixed up with.
Any suggestions for me about Bruno?

PS.. How's ya foot?
I once paid for a really good traing a dog. It was 2 weeks long. 2 hours a day. The first week we were not allowed to bring the dog. Second week you brought the dog and demonstrated what you learned the first week. Instrutor would fine tune what you were doing.

I trained Timber to leash. A leash is a real problem. Everybody allows a dog to pull or play in all the space they have. My leash for Timber is only 1 ft long and holds her right at my side. Once she learned all the commads, and the leash was no longer tight I would disconnect the leash and go through the same training. If she screwed up, the leash went back on. After an hour a day, for 2 months, the leash was no longer required.

Dogs, go through a Teenage Revellios stage. At about 10 months, they not listen, ignore commands, etc. Put them back on the leash and take them trough training agin. A couple weeks and they are back to listening.

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MB, There are (supposedly) no rattlesnakes in the Idaho Panhandle, so I'd guess there aren't any around Libby, either. But it doesn't hurt to be careful...

Libby probably has a couple of dog training places--I'd do a 6 week training program with Bruno if I were you. Find a trainer who matches your own speed...I'd avoid the choke collar trainers...The Pets/Dogs forum here on CD is a really good source of dog training info!

Yes, EH, how's the foot doing?
Foot is progressing fine. It was a serious staff infection. I go in to the VA every Thursday for them to look at it. They said yesterday that they were surprised its healed so much in a short time. But I take off the bandage and soak my foot in hot water and epsome salt, twice a day.
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Old 10-06-2011, 01:10 PM
 
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I am so glad to hear the good news about your foot!! Timber sounds like he is a wonderful dog!
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Old 10-06-2011, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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I am so glad to hear the good news about your foot!! Timber sounds like he is a wonderful dog!
She is well trained. and well rewarded for efforts.
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Old 10-06-2011, 02:07 PM
 
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She.....has a good life. Where did she come from? Was she a stray?
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Old 10-06-2011, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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She.....has a good life. Where did she come from? Was she a stray?
Had a friend who lived on a ranch South of Sheridan. She was moving into town and the apartment complex didnt' allow pets. Timber was 10 months old. Friend called me and told me her situation and wanted to know if I knew anybody that wanted the dog. I said, "I'lll take her". She tried to talk me out of it because I had never seen the dog. I said, don't care what she looks like. She's half Blue Healer and half Borader Collie. Figured there was no better dog to have around here. So a week later I had me a dog. She trained real easy. She's smart. Show her how to do something once and the next time I just tell her and she does it.
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Old 10-06-2011, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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Blue Heeler/Border Collie is a great mix, we have had several of them.
The Heeler is tough, but hard headed and can be pretty agressive, the Boarder Collie is super smart, but can be a little timid so crossing them seems to make a smart dog that will stand up for itself.
Blue Heeler/Aussie Shepherd is another good cross for many of the same reasons.

Glad to hear your foot is healing well My mother has to go in for surgery on her feet here pretty soon and your stories were giving me more grey hairs when I thought about her proceedure and your experience

Just spent 2 weeks at the cabin hunting elk, had a good time. Lots of bulls, but the cows didn't want anything to do with them, (no puns about the ladies at the bar now ), it was too hot for a good rut and the vegitation was really dry and crunchy so hard to stalk, but at least it was 2 weeks I didn't have to go to work so it was good
Had a nice bull with at least 7 points on one side at 35 yards but couldn't snake an arrow through so he and I waltzed around the trees with each other for about 20 minutes one morning. Never did get a shot and we parted ways peacefully......Dang it!!

Found out we have a new tenant in the cabin, there is a short tailed weasel living there. I think it is great because he will eat the mice so we don't have to trap or poison, which is a good thing. I took a picture of him looking over the arm of an easy chair we have up there about 16 inches from where I was sitting, and I really hope it turns out. Cute little varmint. He is quick!!! Faster than king brian getting in front of a camera!! Moves like greased lightning!!
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