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Old 11-07-2011, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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I read somewhere that this used to be true, but that somewhere around 20 years ago the legal gunpowder formula was changed at federal behest to make it deteriorate a lot faster, to prevent ammo hoarding (cuz everyone knows those ammo hoarders are gonna run wild and shoot up the world ). Anyone know anything for sure about this?

Way back when I had some ammo inherited from my dad that probably dated to the 1950s as well, and it was all good. In fact I'd say those ancient shotgun shells packed more of a whallop than what I can buy today.
I hadn't heard anything about the manufacturing of powder to make it deteriorate faster. Probably an old wives tail. haha I have a lot of ammo that dates through the years and I've not noticed any lack of power from any of it.

I have had ammo turn green on me. It was ammo that I got from another party and he hadn't stored it properly. It was only a half dozen rounds. I cleaned them up some and used them the next time I went to the range. All fired just fine. Did a little extra cleaning that day. I have some 7.65mm Labell here that still shoots just fine. Trouble is, when you pull the trigger on that gun, your shoulder isn't up to shooting anymore that day.

When you store ammo, store it standing on it's nose just like you get it from the store. Through the years, from expansion, the bullet will push out a little if it's laying down. If you store it standing on it's nose, you won't get that.
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Old 11-07-2011, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Some of the ammo from my dad's old stuff was green, and greasy too. Didn't seem to hurt it any. I didn't bother trying to clean it up, just used it as-is. It came from Bismarck or Fargo which I suppose explains the green.

Oldest stuff I have around right now is a jar of .22s someone gave me about 20 years ago. Fired a few not long ago and they all worked. 'Course it's so dry here you spit and it doesn't hit the ground, which probably makes a difference!

Never heard about storing it standing on its nose, but I suppose if you're gonna keep it a while you'd want it to remain as symmetrical as possible. Tho it doesn't seem to matter much to that jarful that are in there any which way.
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Old 11-08-2011, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Dunno if someone posted this before when we were discussing towing stuff, but here's a cheat sheet from Ford:

https://www.fleet.ford.com/downloads...ingstoknow.pdf
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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Don't worry. Stored properly it won't spoil. Best ammo I have is for .30-06 and it's 1953 vintage. Lake City ammo. Can't find anything better.


The last couple years I've slowed down on my shooting but I used to burn up 150-200 rounds a week from my pistol (1911 Springfield .45) and 150-200 rounds a week from my rifle (M1 Garand). Those were my target weapons. My hunting hardware was a lot less, maybe 150 rounds a year.
How is your hearing? (not a joke, genuinely interested).
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Approximately 50 miles from Missoula MT/38 yrs full time after 4 yrs part time
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How is your hearing? (not a joke, genuinely interested).
.......Hey Wurzig........

I can't speak for EH.....but MY hearing is just as selective as my late wife said it was from day one.

.....How's the "puppy" doing? .... Be honest now,.....how many shoes, gloves, slippers etc, etc has he decided needed "some-chewing"

And, more importantly.....how is the daughter doing at the U of M?

Hope she still likes Mizzooula...............yea, it is kinda like a "zoo" on occasion
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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That's not real safe for the helicopter pilot... durn things aren't stable in high winds.

Here's a pic I took from my roof about 4 years ago. Wind was doin' a mild 40-45mph that day. Fire was about half a mile away but not going anywhere due to the lack of ground cover, other than the rabbitbrush which burns like a torch. Two helicopters were doing the water shuffle from the sewage treatment plant, which is about 10 miles away. One of 'em damnear got hung up in the power lines.



Speaking of power lines, wish I had pics of this, but they strung the new high-tension wires down the way with a helicopter. Kinda neat.
Yep, we were glad to see the sunrise that day....not that the winds went away, but they are less with the sunrise. Also, fire creates wind which made it worse.....we lost over 80 homes in that fire...... I lived very close to Glen Miller's (as in big band leader), house and it burned to the ground....

I am not afraid of earthquakes.....I've lived through too many...... Floods are costly but I have lived through some of those, too. Fire is bad, bad, bad.....boy, could I fill up the page on fires!

Insurance is very high for crop dusters. Why? Because they are dare devils, take all kinds of chances and they fly under the wires.....
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Old 11-08-2011, 05:42 PM
 
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Old 11-08-2011, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Approximately 50 miles from Missoula MT/38 yrs full time after 4 yrs part time
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I hadn't heard anything about the manufacturing of powder to make it deteriorate faster. Probably an old wives tail. haha I have a lot of ammo that dates through the years and I've not noticed any lack of power from any of it.

I have had ammo turn green on me. It was ammo that I got from another party and he hadn't stored it properly. It was only a half dozen rounds. I cleaned them up some and used them the next time I went to the range. All fired just fine. Did a little extra cleaning that day. I have some 7.65mm Labell here that still shoots just fine. Trouble is, when you pull the trigger on that gun, your shoulder isn't up to shooting anymore that day.

When you store ammo, store it standing on it's nose just like you get it from the store. Through the years, from expansion, the bullet will push out a little if it's laying down. If you store it standing on it's nose, you won't get that.
..............I called Hodgdon and spoke to one of the tech guys the other day...

Since I'm now getting back into reloading now (boy this AR sure does like to "eat up the ammo").....I wanted get get "the official opinion" re using some powder that I have had for approx 37 years.

.........H-380 (a "ball powder""....was told: if it's been stored properly....it should be fine to use. They themeselves have used some H-380 that they know was 50 years old and still good.

........same answer for other "ball powders".

Extruded powders such as: IMR 3031; 4320; 4064; 4895; 4350; 4831 & Norma 203..........Answer: ....if it "looks OK";...."smells OK";.... and has no "rust" colored "red-dust" mixed in it.....it should be OK......BUT because there possibly could be a slight change in the "burn-rate".......start at least 10% below max loads and work up.

Just some FWIW info that MAY be of use to others................
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Old 11-08-2011, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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I am not afraid of earthquakes.....I've lived through too many...... Floods are costly but I have lived through some of those, too. Fire is bad, bad, bad.....boy, could I fill up the page on fires!
Quakes and floods, you can kinda predict. Not exactly when or how bad, but more or less where is at risk. And quakes are real short-term, big bang but then it's done. But fires and tornadoes, those are a lot more random and can jump into your backyard on real short notice.

I was about 10 miles (as the crow flies) from the epicenter of the 1994 Northridge quake... quite amazing how high a travel trailer can jump without coming off its bricks. The freeway near me developed these big ridges that turned it into a free roller-coaster ride, tho over time they've flattened back out on their own, and now you can barely tell where the biggest "waves" used to be.

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Insurance is very high for crop dusters. Why? Because they are dare devils, take all kinds of chances and they fly under the wires.....
Most of the cropdusters I've seen (I used to live right off the end of the main runway at Belgrade) flew like pros, but I've seen some real stupid twice... one was doing touch-and-goes along the road, under the wires in front of my place... this caused a hostile reaction from the groundwalker and he left for wider pastures. The other came right in front of a 737 that was just shy of touchdown, forcing the 737 into acrobatics to avoid a collision... did you know a 737 can instantly pull up at a 45-degree angle?? I'll bet its pilot didn't either!
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Old 11-08-2011, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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How is your hearing? (not a joke, genuinely interested).
Hearing is fine from shooting, slightly diminished at higher frequencies. But I was a Sonar Tech In the NAVY
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