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Old 02-21-2014, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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Ok, I'll spill the beans. Much like you guys, my ideas were a little bent after finding this data and have made me rethink defensive rounds in the home.

Rez, the best weapon to have for defense, is the one in your hand. All the rest are immaterial.


Ok, from the most penetration, to the least penetration. Through sheetrock, into ballistic gel.

.45 cal Pistol, 230 g Jacketed Hollow Point..... - ..... penetrated about 58 centemeters

9mm Pistol, 147 g Jacketed Hollow Point..... - ..... penetrated about 53 centemeters

12 ga Shotgun with 00 buck...... - ..... penetrated about 49 centemeters

.308 rifle, 155 g AMAX..... - ..... penetrated about 40 centemeters

.223/5.56 AR-15, 62 g Full Metal Jacket..... - ..... penetrated about 23 centemeters
Although, the 5.56 did do slightly better than the .223.

Keep in mind, this has NOTHING to do with knock down power. It is strictly penetration through a interior wall and then into ballistic gel. I would have swore the .308 would have been at the top of the list for penetration. Learn something new, every day. Sometimes, several somethings, several times a day.

Here's the source. Pretty reputable source, I would think.

Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo
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Old 02-21-2014, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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It is snowing, HARD. haha

A bit ago, I run to the post office on my 4 wheeler. It's about 6 blocks. It was snowing pretty good and had about 2 inches of snow on the ground. I dropped my blade on the way out of the driveway. When it's snowing like this, I run down the city sidewalk all the way to the post office and back, and blade it so nobody has to shovel it. I went in the post office, got my mail out of my box, and a key to a big box, meaning I got a package that wouldn't fit. I got the package and went out and threw the package and mail in my big tool box on the 4 wheeler, loaded Timber and took off. I plowed the sidewalk on the way back too. When I got to my driveway, you couldn't tell where I had plowed on the way out.

If this kept up for about 6 hours, I don't know if I could get out of my cabin.
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Old 02-21-2014, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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There was about 6 inches of new on my truck this morning, and it has been snowing off and on all day here.
Just had a nice little blizzard blow through. Doesn't look like it dropped a lotm but it's still snowing so who knows what will be the accumulation here by tomorrow.

Should get to you in a day or so Elk
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Old 02-21-2014, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Go to brassfetcher.com to see all kinds of testing in gel, doors, drywall etc.. It's really interesting stuff!
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Old 02-21-2014, 04:29 PM
 
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LOL!!

Just saw a guy walking his English Bulldog across a lawn.

Poor dog was dragging his chassis pretty good! Must be at least 7-8 inches out there, and still snowing
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Old 02-21-2014, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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Go to brassfetcher.com to see all kinds of testing in gel, doors, drywall etc.. It's really interesting stuff!
Another neat sight that will keep me off the streets. Between this site and the Smithsonian site, I'll be locked in my cabin for a week.
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Old 02-21-2014, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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We've had every sort of weather today.

Bland and pleasant this morning. Did chores, went inside for breakfast, came back out and it's blizzarding to beat hell, I could barely see the barn that's maybe 100 feet away. Not much sticking, but going sideways at high velocity. Went back inside before I got penetrated by it (I swear it was hitting that hard even tho it was fluffy stuff). Hmm, maybe I won't go to town after all. Went back out a bit later and now it's sunshine and blue sky. Well, okay, turn myself into a human bean (or close enough to fool most folks) and off to town I went. Got to downtown Bozeman and it suddenly goes dark and snows like mad. By the time I got to Walmart about 10 minutes later, it's all sunshine again. When I came back out from shopping it's threatening snow again but only managing a little rain. Clear by the time I got to Costco... another stop in Belgrade and now it's blizzarding again, and just west of town it's blowing so hard I think the road is going sideways along with the snow. By the time I got to Manhattan, no more snow but still blowing. Dead calm in Three Forks.

If you don't like the weather, wait five minutes... or move a few miles...
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Old 02-21-2014, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Go to brassfetcher.com to see all kinds of testing in gel, doors, drywall etc.. It's really interesting stuff!
Woah, way too much information! My brain hurts.

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Rez, the best weapon to have for defense, is the one in your hand. All the rest are immaterial.
See? What did I say?

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Ok, from the most penetration, to the least penetration. Through sheetrock, into ballistic gel.
Huh. Interesting. <reads a bunch of stuff; has to put brain in freezer> Seems to boil down to "It Depends What You're Shooting At, Too." Look at the difference they show depending on what the initial contact is, eg. glass vs gel, and gel vs denim.

Regardless, I feel no great urge to run out and buy different weapons for defense. Whatever I've got in me hand will suffice (and already has on 3 occasions, tho just having it was enough -- no shots fired).
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Old 02-23-2014, 09:41 PM
 
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Today's weather was more consistent: snow snow snow snow snow snow snow snow snow snow snow snow and snow and snow and snow, did I mention snow?
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Old 02-23-2014, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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Today's weather was more consistent: snow snow snow snow snow snow snow snow snow snow snow snow and snow and snow and snow, did I mention snow?
Yup. That about sum's it up.

Wanting to stay ahead of it and not let it build up too bad, I plowed twice today. Right now you can't even tell I plowed.
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