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Old 05-27-2014, 06:02 PM
 
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Happy Belated Rez!

Deer are nothing compared to elk and moose for fences. Elk run in herds, come tearing down the mountain, the first one jumps the fence, the rest get tangled in it and rip out huge chunks of it.

Moose don't try to jump, they just walk through it.

Pretty tough to keep a fence up in an area where they are. We even tried rail fences, still didn't work, but they didn't tear out as large of sections as they do with barb-wire.

I always know, as soon as I can get up to the cabin, first thing I have to do is go around and cut the fallen trees off the fence, put in new post to replace the ones broken off by snowpack, then start stringing wire which is a process that takes all summer long, or at least as long as I have the cattle up there

I pull the cattle out in September, and let the elk and moose have their way with the fence until next spring
What about a fence made with 6x6 posts, and hog wire fence panels. Maybe 100" or so high. Would that keep them out?
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Old 05-27-2014, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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I like the fences they do in Texas, that are made of half-inch sucker rod fed through drilled holes in 3" steel pipe. If you put the posts every six feet it should be enough to keep out anything.

(They do something like this to contain elephants.)
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Old 05-27-2014, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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100 inch woven wire can stop them, usually. I built elk fence for a job when I got out of high school for a game farm. 12 foot fences, 6 inch posts, first 6 feet were woven wire with 7 strands of barb wire to the top. Expensive as hell.

One of the neighbors is trying 4 inch wood posts with 16 foot panels of 2 1 inch pipes welded together. Supposed to be horse fence. it is about 3 feet to the bottom pipe, 4 1/2 to the upper pipe. Supposed to let deer and other game through underneath and keep long legged critters like horses and moose and elk contained except elk can jump those fences.

Problem is, elk can be very graceful animals, or complete Klutzes. I found a cow last winter that missed a jump over a fence, crashed, broke her neck and slid about 50 feet down the hill landing with her back downhill. She was dead of course.

Elk in a herd can panic and stampede, then the whole herd will hit a fence if the leaders can't turn. Makes a real mess.

But it's just part of living in this country. Elk bust fences, deer eat your garden, bears get into the garbage, bobcats eat your chickens. Just part of the package so while I gripe and belly ache about it, I wouldn't have it any other way
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Old 05-27-2014, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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I am so sick and tired of filling sand bags.

This morning, I went over to fill sand bags. They were underwater over at the city lot. So I went to the maintenance shop, they didn't have any. So I went to City Hall. Keep in mind, city hall is a receptionist, a female doing books, and the Mayor. 3 people there. So I asked, when are we getting more sand, and more bags. The one lady said, "Go in to the County, they have material." I said, "No, I want to use our material, I don't live in the county." She said, "We don't have anything, you'll have to go there." About that time, I'm getting a little fired up, specailly after her next statement. "You should be glad that we provide that service for you." That's when I lost it. I smiled and said, "You do know that funds are public record. I noticed in the public record that the City drew $40,000. from FEMA for flood control. So far, I've only seen about 500 empty bags, and a pile of sand that couldn't be more than 5 yards. Do I need to get an accounting of the rest of the money and how it was used for flood control?" I left there, and come home. Wasn't home more than 3 minutes and the Maintenance Supervisor showed up. "I'll have a dump truck run into town and get some sand, where would you like the sand and bags?" I pointed next to my cabin. An hour later, I had 10 yards of sand, and 750 empty bags, and the sawhorses and funnel set up they had over at the city. All sitting within 100 ft of my cabin.

The 10 yards of sand, is gone. They are bringing another load tomorrow. We are really flooding here. Where we sand bagged against the river, we are not 4 sandbags high and the water is 3 sandbags high. The water peaks at 6:30-7am. Will be interesting to see if what we did today, was for naught. This morning, the water was 3 feet from my steps. All 3 corrals were flooded, the garden was flooded. What a mess.

I was up at 3 this morning, fixed breakfast and was out working on the flood control by 5am. It's been a long, long day.
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Old 05-28-2014, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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That's when I lost it. I smiled and said, "You do know that funds are public record. I noticed in the public record that the City drew $40,000. from FEMA for flood control. So far, I've only seen about 500 empty bags, and a pile of sand that couldn't be more than 5 yards. Do I need to get an accounting of the rest of the money and how it was used for flood control?"
There's nothing scarier than an ElkHunter armed with public records!

What's sand cost by the yard, about 15 bucks? $40k is a LOT of sand...

I'm wonderin' if it might be more cost-effective to dig out some overflow pits across the river. Dunno how effective they really are, but it'd be that much less water on your side.
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Old 05-28-2014, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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I feel for you Elk. The Shields River is over its banks, I saw a lot of people that had wet barns or sandbags up around their homes on Monday.

The Jellystone was brim full, flooding in some low areas, lots of driftwood.

If the temps stay in the high 70s low 80s like it has been, well, there is a LOT of snow still on the Crazy's.

Could be ugly.

Good Luck.
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Old 05-28-2014, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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There's nothing scarier than an ElkHunter armed with public records!

What's sand cost by the yard, about 15 bucks? $40k is a LOT of sand...

I'm wonderin' if it might be more cost-effective to dig out some overflow pits across the river. Dunno how effective they really are, but it'd be that much less water on your side.
Do ya think I can talk the neighbor on the other side of the river into letting us dig some big pits in his field?
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Old 05-30-2014, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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Well, I've been to that Montaner place, I don't want to go back. Least not if yesterday is any indication of fun.

They sent me up to Billings for three things. An EKG (cause the one 2 weeks ago showed problems. A Ultra Sound of my heart. A stress test.

When they did the EKG a couple weeks ago, they said it showed three significant events. I asked what the hell is a significant event? They said two were minor, but the third was definately a heart attack. I told them to redo the eight cause I ain't had no damn heart attack. They wouldn't believe me so they ordered these tests.

They did the Eng and then the ultrasound and then, because I can't walk on this busted foot, they were going to do the stress test with Nuclear waste injected to make me take a trip and never leave the farm. So they injected this rancid nuclear waste in me and about the time things got interesting, the nurse came in and said "Stop. the results came back negative." So they didn't need to continue and they sent me home.

I am here to tell you, that stuff is nasty. Good thing I wasn't driving. Heart racing at about 140 and it gave me the Hershey squirts. I now know every exit, between Billings and Ranchester, intimately.

I told them the EKG was a bad reading, do it again. Instead they ordered this. The cardiologist said that on a scale of 50-75, I am.at a 74. Good to go.
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Old 05-30-2014, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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I don't know what it is with cardiology nowadays, but we get the same thing in dogs. Some breeds check their stock for heart defects. Well, turns out most cardiologists can't tell a heart murmur from "athlete's heart" -- a natural but normal murmur that's common in people and animals with really strong hearts due to a lot of exercise. Pretty much the only cardiologists who can tell 'em apart are those with a lot of experience with athletes (which in dogs means a hard-working dog, not just your everyday frisbee chaser)... which naturally is hard to come by anymore.

A friend of mine went to the VA for a 'routine' checkup, and suddenly the VA decided he had a heart valve that was going bad and would kill him within a year (he was 83 and could still run rings around most folks of any age, so guess what the 'problem' really was!) -- and this wasn't a harmless mistake. No one would listen when he complained of pressure in the belly the day after the valve replacement surgery they talked him into, and he bled out internally and died.

Sounds like this inability to tell extra-good from borderline-bad has migrated from the stealthyscope to the EKG.
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Old 05-30-2014, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Do ya think I can talk the neighbor on the other side of the river into letting us dig some big pits in his field?
I dunno, but surely someone needs some new stock ponds!

Used to be a couple big holes here near Four Corners... they weren't gravel pits, despite appearances. They were flood overflow pits for the West Gallatin, and they did make a difference. Since been filled and built over. And when I asked around... how come all those bad flood years, where I lived on Nelson Road it never flooded, but in 2011 it was way underwater? And I get told... when they subdivided and developed the area, they filled in a bunch of the overflow canals... which weren't there for looks either. Guess whose yards that water wound up in instead.
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